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RE: A modern-mode?

From: arthur miller
Subject: RE: A modern-mode?
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 22:11:22 +0000

You didn't created Emacs 20-mode when you switched from Emacs 19 to Emacs 20. Why should you have new mode for new version?

I don't think this entire discussion is about being modern, but about being more like other software. 

As I have followed original Andrea's proposal, here is what I think:

Make a list of external packages that are legally and technically acceptable for inclusion in Emacs (for example which-key)

Include those and enable them as default, not as a mode. Old users are experienced enough to setq a variable or two, or change it  via customize, new users are not. 

Rarionale: you already have such features (me nus, tool ars, scrollbars etc) that experienced users usually turn off. Same is with which-key and other  new packages you choose to include. 

Keyboard interaction is another subject in this "modern" discussion. 3d modellers/animation packages usually come with key-bindings that resemble competitions package. That to make eventual transition easy. I have no idea if it is fully possible in Emacs, but Emacs already have Vi emulation. Maybe there could be VisualStudio too (or whatever is interesting)? Remapping C-x & co is probably not directly trivial.

Looks: Emacs has themes, and there are quality themes out there. A not so trivial part is 3rd party packages which has to be skinned "manually",  something seems to be missing, so complete theming framework so 3rd party packages can also get blended into looks automatically (a thread about color scheming is about that).

-------- Originalmeddelande --------
Från: "Alfred M. Szmidt" <ams@gnu.org>
Datum: 2020-09-16 18:49 (GMT+01:00)
Till: Andrea Corallo <akrl@sdf.org>
Kopia: self@gkayaalp.com, eliz@gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Ämne: Re: A modern-mode?

   >> > Yes, let's find a different name for this.  I'd object to calling it
   >> > "modern", because I disagree that vanilla Emacs isn't.
   >> I think "modern" implies that one day it won't be modern any more, so
   >> it's a fine name by me.  But perhaps it should be more specific:
   >> `modern-2020-mode'.
   > I'm okay with that if we drop the "modern" part.  How about
   > emacs-2021-mode?

   I like this one too :) But would still be possible to have it enabled
   with a command line option?  I mean if every new release we have a new
   version of this mode (theme?) either we loose this ability or we have
   the command line option binded to the most recent one.

Why not some clickable link on the splash screen, or a toggle from the

The only option that might make sense is an option to select a theme
from the command line.

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