Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars

[Christopher Dimech]

It occurs to me that rather than enhancing emacs, we are regressing it.
What we need is better functionality for some users which is not about
enabling or disabling a long known feature.

As one can see, few users program in lisp.  Consequently, assuming
that people are knowledgeable about elisp programming is wrong.


> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 11:00 AM
> From: "Jean Louis" <bugs@gnu.support>
> To: "Lars Ingebrigtsen" <larsi@gnus.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars
>
> Only small subset of users answered the survey. Emacs is used by much larger 
> number of people. One can see that survey says that users who did answer the 
> survey are on level higher.
>
> If you disable the toolbar you are doing it for those who answered the 
> survey, not for those coming to Emacs, larger number of users.
>
> If I rememberv well survey also shows that large number of users use it since 
> shorter time like one year meaning that larger number of users drop in the 
> first year. Finding that cause and improving there would keep those users.
>
>
>
> On December 15, 2020 5:30:20 AM UTC, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
> >In that mega thread about modernising Emacs, there was a lot of talk
> >about getting more data about how people use Emacs, and then...  do
> >something accordingly.
> >
> >Behold: https://emacssurvey.org/2020/
> >
> >So here's the first thread about actionable takeaways from the survey.
> >(Consider all arguments about the survey not being representative as
> >having been made already.)
> >
> >Of 7.3K respondents, 5K disable toolbars, which is more than two
> >thirds.  So perhaps toolbars should default to off?  I know toolbars
> >were all the rage in the 90s, but that's apparently not the case now.
> >
> >Opinions?
>
>
> Jean
>
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