Re: python minor-mode

[T.V Raman]

Barry Warsaw <barry@python.org> writes:


Agreed on all counts Barry!

The straw that broke my python-mode-camel's back was when I ran into
unexplainable bugs that I couldn't explain to myself because of lack of
documentation in the melpa install of python-mode, and gitlab's
insistence that I needed a gitlab account before I could even checkout
the code; at that point I just moved on. Now both of these assertions
could be a consequnce of my not having looked hard enough, and perhaps
if one visits Gitlab with an all-dancing JS-powered browser it might be
a different experience ... 

With Github I've developed workflows where I entirely avoid the need to
use a JS-powered browser and perhaps the same is possible with gitlab if
one makes the investment ... but again, it was sufficiently hard to not
make it over the line given the now somewhat minor feature gaps between
python.el and python-mode.el.

> Hi TV, good to hear from you too.  Hi also to Stefan and Andreas.
>
> I agree it would be good to find a way to merge the functionality of
> the two modes, but of course it??s more than that because the variables
> and settings would also have to merge.  It would be a huge bit of
> work, and definitely not something that I would have any bandwidth
> for.  python-mode.el??s been around for 30 years now, almost as long as
> Python itself.  It??s sad that these two modes have existed
> independently for so long.
>
> Cheers,
> -Barry
>
>> On Mar 21, 2022, at 09:09, T.V Raman <raman@google.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Barry Warsaw <barry@python.org> writes:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Barry,
>> 
>> Good to hear from you after a long time.
>> 
>> I recall that at one time, there was a similar split between emacs'
>> built-in C-mode vs the much-enhanced cc-mode  that you and others had
>> developed; eventually cc-mode and its goodness landed in Emacs.I'm
>> optimistically hoping for the same for Python:-)
>> 
>> 
>> I'm sure there are still differences between python.el and
>> python-mode.el though in the last 10 years or so, python.el has grown
>> significantly in size.
>> 
>> I mostly use elpy to pull together all the various emacs/python goodies
>> and after getting very confused between python.el and python-mode.el
>> eventually uninstalled python-mode.el so that I could avoid getting
>> tripped up; for better or worse, I've not noticed too much difference
>> and it's actually nice to have one less thing to worry about when being
>> surprized by some unexpected behavior.
>> 
>> With respect to code formatting etc, I now achieve that via external
>> tools like yapf that elpy wrappers, and have the formatting operation
>> happen on each save.
>> 
>> 
>>> I haven??t looked at python.el in a long while but last time I did, it was 
>>> not PEP 8 compliant.
>>> 
>>> -Barry
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 21, 2022, at 06:37, T.V Raman <raman@google.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Andreas R?0?2hler <andreas.roehler@online.de> writes:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The bigger question:
>>>> 
>>>> There were clearly reasons for the existence of these two in the past
>>>> --- python.el and python-mode.el -- do those reasons still exist. They
>>>> each have almost similar functionality -- and it may be worthwhile for
>>>> some wise heads to come together and create a single, consolidated
>>>> python package for emacs.
>>>> 
>>>> I can vouch from my own use that this split causes massive confusion.
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Currently, both python.el and python-mode.el define a minor-mode
>>>>> called "python-mode". Which may create some confusion. Wouldn't it be
>>>>> more natural if both files provide modes according to their filename?
>>>>> I.e. python.el should establish "python" as minor-mode, python-mode.el
>>>>> sends "python-mode".
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Andreas
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> --Raman(I Search, I Find, I Misplace, I Research)
>>>> ?7?2 Id: kg:/m/0285kf1  ?0?8
>>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> --Raman(I Search, I Find, I Misplace, I Research)
>> ?7?3 Id: kg:/m/0285kf1  ?0?8
>

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Thanks,

--Raman(I Search, I Find, I Misplace, I Research)
?7?4 Id: kg:/m/0285kf1  ?0?8