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Re: Convert README.org to plain text README while installing package

From: Ihor Radchenko
Subject: Re: Convert README.org to plain text README while installing package
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2022 23:15:16 +0800

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com>
>> Cc: Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com>,  acm@muc.de,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
>> Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2022 21:12:11 +0800
>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> >> - 236 org related key bindings - far less than 785 Of these, a number are
>> >> - actually remapping of existing bindings, so not new ones. This leaves 
>> >> 208.
>> >
>> > ??? How is remapping "not new"?  It takes some very common Emacs
>> > commands and redirects them to different commands.  E.g., 'open-line'
>> > now does something quite different.  This means the user should either
>> > go learn what the Org commands do, or be prepared to be surprised.
>> There are 3 main purposes of remappings in Org:
> I'm sure there are good reasons for that.  My point is that such
> remappings effectively force the user to re-learn the commands he/she
> is very familiar with.  So it's a non-trivial burden.

Not really. The remappings usually intend to re-implement the usual
expected Emacs behavior inside Org. It's just that it is not always
possible using the built-in functions. Hence, we implement a layer on

There should not be anything to learn with regard to remapped commands
given that Org defaults are not changed.

The difference is that things like, say, paragraph-separate, are not
even noticed by users of various major modes. Org had to remap the
commands, which is more immediately visible.

>> >> I said that for a read only buffer, many of the org key bindings are not
>> >> relevant as they relate to features which are not pertinent to a read 
>> >> only org
>> >> buffer. Any bindings relating to babel, todo management, time management,
>> >> agendas etc have no relevance when reading a readme.org file.
>> >
>> > Then why does Org define them in that case?
>> I am not very sure what is the problem with the number of bindings. It
>> is not different from Emacs itself.
> The difference is that we had years or decades to get used to the
> Emacs defaults, and once Org is turned on in a buffer, one has a lot
> of new stuff to get used to.  Unless Org is used constantly, you will
> forget most of those changes till the next time, so this re-learning
> experience will be repeated every time.

Isn't it the same for any other major mode?

> It isn't a catastrophe, of course, but we should recognize this as an
> issue, especially if many of the bindings aren't needed.

I am not sure what you mean by aren't needed. They are needed if you use
their functionality. They are not needed if you don't.

There is no doubt that you do not need most of the bindings just to
navigate Org files or do basic editing. You do not need to learn those
other bindings either.


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