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Re: Abysmal state of GTK build

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen
Subject: Re: Abysmal state of GTK build
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 15:36:12 +0200
User-agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux)

Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> writes:

> Besides, how is that related to the success of Microsoft's VS Code?

It shows exactly what I said it shows.

> The toolbar icons come from GNOME 2.x, so they are already consistent
> and (mostly) put together by designers.  Aside from the ugly cross icon,
> which really has to go.

They all have to go before we make a change in the defaults.

> Just turn off the internal border, or specify the color of the internal
> border in your X resources.

This isn't about me, it's about the default look.  It has to be fixed
before we default to no-toolkit.

>> 5) The scroll bar has to be fixed to work as modern scroll bars to, not
>> emulate the actions of an 80s Xterm.  I.e., you have to be able to drag
>> the scrool widget, and click above and below it, and have the thing
>> happen that normal users expect.
> I disagree, but that behavior should be made customizable.  The
> "no-toolkit" scroll bar in general is a big hack that is not portable to
> platforms other than X.

Yes, of course it should be customisable.  But the default must be to
work in the way normal users expect these days.

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