Re: Lisp files that load cl-lib in problematical ways

[Stephen Berman]

On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 07:54:12 +0300 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:

>> From: Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org>
>> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2023 06:14:52 +0200
>>
>> Richard Stallman wrote:
>>
>> >> 226 files, or 14%, use cl-lib at run time.
>> >
>> > These cases may be more or less problematical, but not
>> > necessarily equally so.
>> >
>> > Which of those files are usually loaded when you start Emacs
>> > with no arguments? Those we should certainly fix.
>>
>> I don't know, but at least one since you get the cl-lib stuff
>> even at 'emacs -Q'.
>
> That is not true, since in "emacs -Q" I get this:
>
>   (featurep 'cl-lib) => nil
>
> both in GUI and TTY (i.e. -nw) sessions.

I also get this in a freshly updated build from master both with -Q and
with -Q -nw.  In a freshly updated build from emacs-29 I also get it
with -Q -nw, but with just -Q (i.e. the GUI) it returns `t', and
evaluating `features' returns (time-date subr-x cl-loaddefs cl-lib
rmc...).  And in a GUI build from master from October 8, (featurep
'cl-lib) returns `t' and features returns (time-date subr-x cl-loaddefs
cl-lib rmc...).  In the GUI build from current master, features returns
(rmc iso-transl tooltip...), so it looks like a recent change in master
stopped loading subr-x at startup.

Steve Berman