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Re: [Orgmode] org <-> Palm


From: Carsten Dominik
Subject: Re: [Orgmode] org <-> Palm
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 07:47:58 +0100

Also I would be interested in a good way to use information maintained
under org-mode on portable devices, and I would support such a
development by writing the lisp code for the correct exporters and
importers.  However, I don't want to write five different
exporters/importers, so agreeing to some format would be mandatory.

Currently in this area, there are the following "Ans├Ątze".  They
mostly work one-way, to get information from Org-mode to a
portable device, not the other way round.  But there are exceptions,
see below.

- Bonsai Outliner
  ===============
  This is a two-way interface for basic outlines.
  I don't know what the status is and I have not not used it myself
  so far.  Thomas, would you like to comment?

- iCalendar export
  ================
  Org-mode can export items with datestamps and deadlines as well as
  TODO items into a standard iCalendar file.  These files can be
  read by most calendar programs both on PC/Mac/Linux machines, and
  as far as I know also on portable devices.  I am using this mechanism
  to get information from org-mode into iCal on the Mac.  Unfortunately,
  there is no good way to get the changed info back into org-mode. But
  it is useful to see what your TODO items and schedule are.

- Fast external updates
  =====================
  Some time ago I worked with Tim O'Callaghan on the idea of delayed
  updates of Org-mode files, a feature he called "fast updates".
  His idea was to copy an org-mode file to a mobile device, and to
  use some basic editor to mark lines that should be changed later
  the file gets back into an Emacs environment.  Tim's idea was to
  mark headline with a single character *before* the stars.
  For example, if I have a todo item

     *** TODO Do this

  it could be marked

     d*** TODO Do this

  and next time Org-mode opens this file in Emacs, it would find this
  line and switch the TODO to DONE.  The idea behind this is that
  input on mobile devices is never fun, on phones it is really terrible,
  so you want to be done with a single keystroke.  And you could
  trigger more complex operations like archiving in this way.

  Some time ago I implemented this basic functionality.  I still have
  the code if someone is  interested.  But unfortunately
  the project somehow got stuck.  There were technical reasons, but
  I believe the underlying reason may be that by just putting the
  org-mode file into an editor on a mobile device with a small
  screen and no show/hide capabilities makes it much harder to read
  and handle than in Emacs.  But I am not sure, and may be this
  project could be revived.

- Editor on the Palm-side
  =======================
  Putting whole Org-mode files into a Palm editor has the advantage
  that you can keep them up-to-date on both machines using
  synchronization or, for example, cvs merging.  Having an editor that
  actually implements a subset of Org-modes functionality using some
  scripting language (Rexx was mentioned) sounds attractive to me.

- Print/export only the current TODO list
  =======================================
  You can create TODO lists and then print them or export them to
  your Palm.  Then you tick items off while on the go, and when you
  get back to a real computer you create the same TODO list again and
  update the done items (idea from Pete Phillips).  While this sounds
  like double work, you can make it part of the review process to
  check where your projects stand.

Carsten

On Nov 5, 2006, at 22:39, Ramon Diaz-Uriarte wrote:

Dear All,

I am wondering if anybody has found out how to export from org, and
get the stuff in a usable way into a Palm, and (ideally) edit it there
and bring it back to org later.

I saw in a fomer post

 "From: Carsten Dominik <dominik <at> science.uva.nl>
 Subject: Other software development for Org-mode
 Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.orgmode
 Date: 2006-03-14 10:39:25 GMT (33 weeks, 5 days and 49 minutes ago)

 (...)

 Bonsai Outliner for Windows/PalmOS, export/import options for Org-mode
 files  Thomas Baumann has been working on these, but not finished the
 org-to-bonsai branch if I remember correctly because of problems
 with the data format  on the Palm."

But my googling didn't find anything else.

I actually have lowered my expectations to just (?) two things: a)
outlines; b) calendar/deadlines info.

a) For outlines, I used to use Shadow Plan (http://www.codejedi.com/)
on my Palm. Getting the outlines into org is a piece of cake (at least
under Linux); from the Shadow Desktop one exports as ASCII, and using
sed (or whatever) one replaces \t by *. So now all that info is an org
outline. I assume similar things can be done with other Palm
outliners. But:

a.1. How do I go back to the Palm?
a.1.1. Via Plucker; export from org as html, use plucker for html ->
pdb. That works, but that is not editable in the Palm

a.1.2. Convert the org file to a pdb using pyrite publisher
(http://www.pyrite.org/publisher/index.html). That is a regular file
that can be seen and edited inside the Palm, but one looses the
structure, and if one edits the file in the Palm, how will the new
stuff be incoporated in any reasonable way into org?

b) calendar/dates, etc. The options are somewhat like a). One can see
the info, but that stuff does not show up in the Palm calendar.


I am wondering if anybody has any suggestiongs/ideas or things to try.
My googling is not really finding much.

Thanks,



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