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Re: Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)

From: Gabe Stanton
Subject: Re: Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 10:31:09 -0600

It seems their divisive techniques are continuing, and evolving. I
believe the use of (and acceptance of) the use of "old white men" to
describe people is an extension of what is seen on television and other
junk outlets. It seems they want to make all places and conversations
the same, selectively divisive. 
Some people are okay to lump together and denigrate, others are
'protected' for some reason. How is that anything but divisive. They
want some people to join, and others to leave. That's not inclusive or
helpful to the cause. It's an attempt to divide the community. Why make
it more comfortable for anyone just to kick out anyone who is 'old',
'white', or 'male', or heaven forbid, all three. 

What do we do then? Speak up and possibly help in dividing the
community? Stay silent until something really makes us upset? Form
another group, (that's dividing, that seems like not the best idea). 

I think gnu should focus on software freedoms and let individual
grievances be handled individually instead of initiating or
contributing to a smear campaign. Please if you feel the same (and have
read this far), make your voice heard somewhere, even if it's not here.
 Let the free software movement stay on task and not be divided or

On Thu, 2019-10-31 at 11:51 +0100, Jean Louis wrote:
> * Mark Wielaard <> [2019-10-31 10:52]:
> > On Wed, 2019-10-30 at 22:04 -0500, wayne, steve wrote:
> > > I'll probably mute this thread after hitting send so you would be
> > > wasting invective for my sake but if it makes you feel better,
> > > knock
> > > yourself out.
> > 
> > No, we are not going to knock ourselves out. Be respectful to your
> > fellow GNU volunteers. Sexist attacks on someone pointing out
> > sexism or
> > calling them hysterical is totally uncalled for. If your
> > experiences
> > are different, then feel free to point that out. But belittling
> > someones experiences by attacking their credentials and character
> > is
> > not acceptable. Neither is calling people part of a mob and
> > criticizing
> > them for wrongs that you only speculate they may have done.
> > 
> > Also see:
> >
> > 9.html
> It is hypocritical.
> This message:
> html
> was not censored. You are censoring responses to that message. That
> is
> hypocritical.
> Did you see in that message calling people "old white men"? Based
> upon
> your own standards of what is kind and what not, it is kind to call
> "old white men" but it is not kind to respond to such allegations?
> Defaming RMS for "disgusting public comments defending sexual
> exploitation of minors" which is absolutely not true, and which was
> debunked in my message that you censored is fine, but my message is
> not fine:
> ra-Loosemore-defamation-of-the-founder-of-GNU-project-on-gnu-misc-
> discuss-mailing-list-30th-October-2019.html
> One big LOL to that!

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