Re: Non-bootstrappable NPM packages

[Nicolas Graves]

On 2024-02-20 20:04, Jelle Licht wrote:

> Nicolas Graves <ngraves@ngraves.fr> writes:
>
>> On 2019-07-24 15:41, Jelle Licht wrote:
>>
>>> Timothy Sample <samplet@ngyro.com> writes:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>> I’ve come to think that bootstrapping JavaScript might be easier than it
>>>> looks.  As time goes on, Node gets better at the newer JavaScript
>>>> features.  This removes the need for things like Babel or Rollup, since
>>>> with some care, Node can run the source directly with out any
>>>> transformations or bundling.  That being said, TypeScript looks to be a
>>>> major issue, as it is used in many fundamental JavaScript packages and
>>>> it is not bootstrappable.
>>>
>>> Very recently (IE about 94 minutes ago), I found out something
>>> interesting that might be helpful; Sucrase[0] is, among other things, a
>>> typescript transpiler that does not do any type checking, and it only
>>> has some runtime dependencies.
>>>
>>> I created some “fiio”-packages as well [1] , and I have confirmed that
>>> it actually works! My next step was of course to compile TypeScript
>>> proper, and this worked with one tiny snag that I reported at [2]. After
>>> manually fixing these problems in the TypeScript source tree, I was able
>>> to transpile the TypeScript sources using guix-packaged
>>> `node-sucrase-bootstrap'.
>>
>> Hi Jelle!
>>
>> Did someone made some progress on the build-system since that to allow
>> for this to be taken into account? If you still have it, could you share
>> your "fiio" packages once again? The paste link is expired. Thanks!
>
> I don't have them anymore, but I could re-generate them.
> Are you still interested, or am I too slow in responding, and are your
> other node-related emails more relevant by now?

I was going the esbuild route instead of the sucrase one, so that's not
a need anymore. Both are viable however, this choice is
questionnable. There are the packages from Wojtek in answer to this
email that also bootstrap sucrase, so don't bother ;)

I feel tests / native-inputs for Node is a bigger issue than the one of
bundlers now.

>
> KR,
> - Jelle
>

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Best regards,
Nicolas Graves