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Re: The Indecency of Zealots
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Jonathan S. Shapiro |
Subject: |
Re: The Indecency of Zealots |
Date: |
Mon, 01 May 2006 14:34:26 -0400 |
On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 17:17 +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
> Dear Jonathan,
>
> I am very sorry that the discussion has taken the course that it has.
> It was unnecessary and misleading. It has nurtured miscommunication
> and confusion instead of clarity and understanding. I cannot turn
> back the time by 24 hours and start anew, trying to find words to
> express what I think without hurting you in the progress. If I could,
> I would.
Marcus: Thank you. I suspected that the conversation had run away with
both of us.
I suspect that the discussion of use cases (coming next) will be
revealing to both of us. Let us defer the discussion of moral rights in
digital information until then. What I can say on this subject now is
this:
It appears to me that there are cases where disclosure is
morally and ethically mandatory. I do not (personally) believe
that the encoding of information in digital form should make
disclosure mandatory (not even to legitimately interested
parties) but there are *other* cases where it is.
Simultaneously, there are cases where it is morally and ethically
required NOT to disclose, and for this non-disclosure to be
computationally enforced.
It is obviously not possible to satisfy both of these objectives
simultaneously using mechanical means.
My belief is that the first situation is extremely rare, and in those
cases that I recognize it is something that would legitimately justify
the cost and difficulty of forensic analysis. I do see that the "digital
information should be free" argument may lead to a much larger space of
cases.
My belief is that the second situation happens legitimately in
computational systems all the time, and that support for encapsulation
is therefore pragmatically necessary. I will attempt to show examples in
my next message.
shap
- Re: Challenge: Find potential use cases for non-trivial confinement, (continued)
- Re: Challenge: Find potential use cases for non-trivial confinement, Pierre THIERRY, 2006/05/01
- Re: Challenge: Find potential use cases for non-trivial confinement, olafBuddenhagen, 2006/05/01
- Re: Challenge: Find potential use cases for non-trivial confinement, Pierre THIERRY, 2006/05/01
- Re: Challenge: Find potential use cases for non-trivial confinement, Bas Wijnen, 2006/05/01
- Re: Challenge: Find potential use cases for non-trivial confinement, Pierre THIERRY, 2006/05/01
- GNU philosophy and compromises (was: Re: Challenge: Find potential use cases for non-trivial confinement), olafBuddenhagen, 2006/05/02
- Re: Challenge: Find potential use cases for non-trivial confinement, Bas Wijnen, 2006/05/01
- Re: Challenge: Find potential use cases for non-trivial confinement, Bas Wijnen, 2006/05/01
- The Indecency of Zealots, Jonathan S. Shapiro, 2006/05/01
- Re: Challenge: Find potential use cases for non-trivial confinement, Pierre THIERRY, 2006/05/01
- Re: Challenge: Find potential use cases for non-trivial confinement, Jonathan S. Shapiro, 2006/05/01
- Re: Challenge: Find potential use cases for non-trivial confinement, Marcus Brinkmann, 2006/05/01
- Re: Challenge: Find potential use cases for non-trivial confinement, Jonathan S. Shapiro, 2006/05/01
- Re: Challenge: Find potential use cases for non-trivial confinement, Bas Wijnen, 2006/05/02
- Re: Challenge: Find potential use cases for non-trivial confinement, Pierre THIERRY, 2006/05/03
- Re: Challenge: Find potential use cases for non-trivial confinement, Bas Wijnen, 2006/05/03
- Re: Challenge: Find potential use cases for non-trivial confinement, Pierre THIERRY, 2006/05/03
- Re: Challenge: Find potential use cases for non-trivial confinement, Bas Wijnen, 2006/05/03