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Re: [libreplanet-discuss] help with FSF incompatible but community orien

From: Michael Mehrazar
Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] help with FSF incompatible but community oriented licence(s)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 17:36:38 -0400
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I believe the question can be boiled down to this: Is there a software
equivalent to Creative Commons Attribution + Noncommercial + ShareAlike
I am not aware of any such license. However, I think that although such
a license would not be considered "free" under FSF's definition, I do
feel that it would be improper to call software released under such a
license "proprietary" or "closed source". It's somewhat in between.

On 10/03/2012 05:24 PM, Ted Smith wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-10-03 at 17:13 -0400, Patrick wrote:
>> "This is not a "betrayal of charitable efforts." This is the free 
>> software culture working as intended."
>> ask the GIMP developers then:
>> <>"
>> Obviously many people feel betrayed.
> Who in those threads are GIMP developers? There are as many people on
> that list making the same points people on this list are making -- that
> it is perfectly fine to sell free software.
>> "This is an FSF mailing list. You will not find anyone to help you find 
>> a non-free license to use."
>> This is the kind of mentality really infuriates me!
>> It's ironic that FSF has something in common with W George Bush and the 
>> near-far right but it does.
>> "W" is a good speech reader, when he can remember the lines that were 
>> written for him. On line that was distressing for many people including 
>> me, was:
>> "your either with us or your with the terrorists"
>> Spoken shortly after 9/11
>> This is the kind of mentality I have encountered before with the FSF. 
>> Live up to our 4 freedoms or your against us. Live up to our definition 
>> of free or your with the mega-corps. I am sick of this and so are the 
>> people being driven away from the FSF, read the many blogs.
> Well, yes, if you are not in support of the FSF's position, you are in
> some various state of disagreement with the FSF. Whether that means you
> agree with the FSF's terminal goals is another issue, but in this case,
> you and the FSF do disagree, and people on this mailing list are aligned
> with the FSF. You won't find help here.
> Also, have you checked the FSF's published list of corporate donors?
> Google and other "mega-corps" are high on the list. There is nothing
> anti-corporate about the FSF.
>> There are different kinds of oppression that the FSF does not address 
>> and freedoms that it ignores.
> Of course. The FSF is an organization with a specific mission. It's not
> explicitly feminist, anti-racist, anti-fascist, or leftist, either, as I
> personally would like it to be, but none of those causes are what the
> FSF exists to uphold.
> The FSF exists to promote free software, and you are asking people on an
> FSF-sponsored list to help you pick a software license that is
> explicitly non-free according to the definition published by the FSF.
> Personally, I don't think you're doing anything horrifically wrong (the
> consequences of your actions are likely to be small, so I don't
> particularly care about your actions themselves), but you certainly
> don't seem to be acting very strategically. If your goal is to find a
> license that prohibits commercial use, this is the wrong forum to ask
> that question in.

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