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Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Android without Google
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Thomas Harding |
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Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Android without Google |
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Tue, 09 Oct 2012 22:33:44 +0200 |
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I no almost all that information. What I complain on is:
* this is not centralized nor hosted by FSF (while it supports and
advertises on
H-node, and ported its hardware database to that last org.)
* there is no counter-advertising from FSF (unbiased information
campaigns on each
hardware) which would address end-users and IT-managers (mostly same
persons)
rebelliousness, forcing hardware manufacturers to change their policy.
Obviously, an extended search allows any person aware enough of non-free
kernel blobs,
non-free drivers and not disclosed hardware specs to find wanted
information (provided
there were no "silent changes").
The problem is in lacking "l'effet de masse" (mass effect?): if most of
consumers ask for
something and refuses to buy what they refuse (such as "unlikely"
disclose their privacy),
then vendors will have to change their policy.
Lobbying may work on politicians[1], advertising (seems to) work on masses.
"Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present
controls the past".
/George Orwell, 1984/
It seems a key feature for large companies to -- hopefully just --
control the present, a key
goal for large companies to control the future, and now for last
especially a feature of one
company (over 1280 days, it seems only 1 site provides Usenet searches:
What about
over writings. Also what about UEFI or other future "innovations" will
(dis)allows, especially
if they are "closed source" ?).
Their weapon is advertising, on "company voice" basis.
The response would be advertising (on free speech basis), needing for a
central reference
point anyone can easily find (and for example pick up ads to stick
anywhere), even if anyone
*must* differs on on some points.
[1] software patents are /again/ on discussion at European parliament.
This could occurs
enlistment of numerous software patents which were not allowed "as is".
Le 09/10/2012 20:37, Michał Masłowski a écrit :
So a beginning of solution would be a device list,
preferably hosted by FSF,
enlisting what hardware does not requires kernel blobs,
and what hardware requires /some blobs/, in such case for which
chip/functionality.
Replicant has such information for supported phones, h-node.org provides
data on devices working without nonfree software (i.e. with what's
included in Trisquel or other FSF-listed distros).
Obviously, such a list would need fine-grained hardware versions *and*
revisions list,
because of silent changes (eg, a mainboard is launched fully Free
Software compliant,
then revision N comes with a chip (NIC, ...) needing kernel blob or,
at worse, a closed
driver.
Seen this on h-node.org for wifi cards. (Motherboards are not listed
there.)
[...]
What I don't understand is: why FSF strongly disagree and recommends
not to use
kernel blobs, and on the other hand does not provides any mean to get
rid of.
They support Linux-libre, distros containing it, list vendors providing
systems working with free software and support h-node.org.
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