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Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Fwd: The FSF Allows No Derivatives

From: Aaron Wolf
Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Fwd: The FSF Allows No Derivatives
Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 21:18:54 -0700
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Hi Yoni,

To give your point a little more clarity: You are simply saying that you
don't understand the value of making direct derivatives culturally
(versus just inspired works). It's fine to say that. Perhaps you are not
a really dedicated creative artist like Nina Paley or a seriously
dedicated musician or author.

I suggest you check out

If you really want to understand more, maybe read the imperfect but
largely wonderful full book Free Culture by Lawrence Lessig

To avoid ranting further, I'll briefly wrap this up. The fact that you
don't personally understand the great works that cannot happen because
of ND or all-rights-reserved restrictions just shows that you, one
person, can't understand everything.

I am a guitar teacher. I would like to create a major improvement to
educational materials using the best resources and reference to hundreds
of culturally-relevant songs that would inspire students. Copyright and
ND terms block my ability to do this. I could go on. Please trust me, we
are greatly lacking all sorts of important value and work in our society
because of these restrictions.


On 05/15/2015 09:03 PM, Yoni Rabkin wrote:
> Logan Streondj <> writes:
>> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 05:27:18PM -0400, Yoni Rabkin wrote:
>>> Aaron Wolf <> writes:
>>>> Why the incredible desire to use existing source code? Why not use the
>>>> wasted time and efforts spent arguing about this reverse engineering
>>>> your software and just be done with it. …
>>> Because works of personal opinion are different than useful software.
>>> -- 
>>>    "Cut your own wood and it will warm you twice"
>> works of personal opinion can be software with a speakable
>> programming language. :-D
>> In fact, works of opinion are used to program humans,
>> which have more processing power than at least most computers,
>> possibly than any computer thus far created.
>> So in a way you could say, works of opinion, are extremely
>> powerful pieces of software.
> I license my own blog under CC-BY-SA but I don't see, so far, a concrete
> problem with the FSF licensing essays on the site with ND.
> I think that a powerful argument would be if someone created something
> real: the GCC of essays if you will. Then point the FSF at that and say:
> "See, this wonderful thing is what you are not allowing me to
> release. Please change the the ND license on those essays so that the
> whole free software community can benefit from my work."
> But I don't know what that would be. If I did, then I would probably
> appreciate the point being made about why ND is bad in this context.

Aaron Wolf
music teacher,

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