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Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [fsf-community-team] Golden Rule Angle for Lib

From: Jlvb
Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [fsf-community-team] Golden Rule Angle for Libre Software Advocacy
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 19:41:12 +0200


In the book, Turing's Cathedral: The Origins of the Universe written by George Dyson, in the chapter "Theory of self-replicating automata" talk about the question formulated by 
Von Neumann: Will be able the machines to self-replicate?
Neuman showed his interest by the fact that a Turing machine can make copies of itself, Von Neumann expanded the concept of universal Turing machine to a universal constructor.

Later, Dyson wrote about an unfinished treatise that was published with the title"Theory of Self-Reproducing Automata" and a manuscript of Neumann “Reliable Organizations of Unreliable Elements”.

Dyson reasons as the machines can get tomanipulate and control human beings.
I do not have the knowledge necessary to know whether this process can be done with free software or not. But I think it's a problem that we must pay attention

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:06 AM, MBR <> wrote:
This is the kind of argument we need to be making.  It's something average people can relate to because it's real today.  Worrying about the plight of robots in some hypothetical future is not going to interest anyone other than the most avid Trekkies, and although there may be a lot of people like that among the programmer population, their numbers are negligible in the population at large.
Mark Rosenthal

On 8/13/16 2:24 PM, Marcos Marado wrote:

I won't go as far as to talk about robotic bodies, but the issue is pertinent today, with current technology.

I recently read about a woman who has a pacemaker. It had a software bug, which frightened her. She knows /of/ it but she doesn't know it, since she doesn't have access to the software running on her own body. Furthermore, she found out that there is a functionality in it to accept OTA updates, which she cannot control. Scary. And this is not science fiction, this is a real case, current technology.

Unfortunately I don't recall where I read about this, but it was in the last couple of weeks. On FSFE's newsletter, maybe?

Anyway, the question can be rephrased to "how ethical it is to implant non-free software on someone's body?".

Best regards,
Marcos Marado

On Aug 12, 2016 16:42, "Logan Streondj" <> wrote:
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I recently gave a presentation[1] on my libreware project, and someone
said they really liked the Golden Rule angle of reincarnating as a robot

The typical example I've often read advocating for libreware is the
car analogy, where you have access to your cars internals. This was a
great analogy when cars didn't have loads of proprietary software
installed -- unfortunately it is only increasing because of
self-driving cars.

However now as we get closer to the twenty twenties, when the
processing of a human brain should be affordable for a $1000.
The analogy I use now is:

"When you reincarnate as a robot, do you want to be enslaved by
proprietary software and hardware, or be liberated by libre software
and hardware?"

Anyways wondering what you guys think of this angle,
and if you might use it also.
I have more detailed slides in my presentation[1].

[1] my presentation SPEL and GI-OS overview (CC-BY-SA): PDF
 source TEX:

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