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Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Direct data and derived data: chance for a dat


From: Nicolás Ortega Froysa
Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Direct data and derived data: chance for a data GPL?
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 11:41:55 +0200
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I think you miss a certain point here. Firstly, he mentioned that these
laws could have an exception for when the company gives their users a
certain benefit from allowing them to do something with this information
of theirs. But also, what kind of people we are trying to protect with
these laws.

When it comes to social laws that are put in place, they're put in place
to protect the weaker members of society, people who perhaps don't
understand the full consequences of their actions. In terms of
technology, these people are the youth and the elderly. It makes sense
that a grown adult shouldn't be on a platform like Facebook if he's
concerned about his privacy, but neither a kid nor an elderly person
understands the ramifications of this. I have two grandparents who use a
lot of these technologies, not because they made the choice on their
own, but because they were told to by their children. They don't have an
education, so they don't understand anything, they just use it. There
are also kids who use the platform before they are even supposed to
based on the platform's own policy. In these cases, I would be in favor
of creating a law defending the rights of these individuals. One example
could be making it illegal to use the data of minors (while at the same
time not providing an incentive for them to give a false age, so the
company can mine their data).

It's also a matter of being given the choice. In many cases our choice
is "use the platform and lose your privacy, or don't use it". This
choice is very limiting, since in many cases we are forced to use a
platform for a variety of reasons (workplace, family pressure, only
means of communication in a given context, etc.). One should always be
given the option to use the platform without losing your privacy. I also
don't think that this option should require any more payment than the
other one, since this would be a form of income discrimination by which
the poorer users are more likely to sell off their privacy to use the
platform. Essentially, losing one's privacy should not receive discounts
in the price of the service.

On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 08:24:07PM -0700, Ali Razeen wrote:
> And why should this be a law? How about leaving it to users to decide what
> they are okay with and what they are not? To use your analogy, if a
> transport company asks for a lot of information, and users are okay with
> that, who are you to say what they should or shouldn't do?
> 
> I am not a celebrity, nor someone famous nor rich. I really do not want a
> law like yours and I do *not* want it as a worldwide treaty. Please leave me
> my freedom, thanks.
> 
> -Ali
> 
> 
> On 8/20/18 7:20 PM, address@hidden wrote:
> > I however do not want "insights" period.
> > 
> > How about something much - a law that says companies can't (ab)use the
> > data of paid users without their explicit opt-in and can't provide any
> > conditionals or anything more than minor incentives for opting in.
> > 
> > minor incentives - eg: $10/mo ok but $100 not ok.
> > 
> > 
> > More laws:
> > * The right to be forgotten where when one establishes an account at say
> > a bank, doctors office, store, airline etc they can simply check a box
> > that says "delete my information after X amount of time"
> > 
> > * Only the bare minimum of data required to provide a service should be
> > collected - there is NO reason a transport company needs your name to
> > transport you or a cable company your name to give you cable as long as
> > you pay for your cable modem and pre-pay for services.
> > 
> > 
> > All three should be a worldwide treaty - WILL be a worldwide treaty when
> > some day the celebrity leaks become relentless and the shiny people
> > demand change.
> > 
> > 
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