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Re: Naturals on all notes

From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Naturals on all notes
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:45:45 -0500

Not to be argumentative, but in UE repeated notes within a measure only have the natural on the first note, so there still is a rule stating that not all notes get a natural or accidental. I have Schoenberg Suite Fur Klavier op. 25. I think the naturals are to remind us players who are used to tonal music in keys that a b-flat in a measure does not imply an a-flat etc. The rule that the absence of an accidental implies a natural still applies in atonal music, however.

I might want to investigate further, since I brought it up, whether the default C major key could be removed. And what kind of kaos that might create.


----- Original Message ----- From: "Mehmet Okonsar" <address@hidden> To: "Stephen" <address@hidden>; "Mehmet Okonsar" <address@hidden>; <address@hidden>
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 4:00 AM
Subject: Re: Naturals on all notes

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen" <address@hidden>
To: "Mehmet Okonsar" <address@hidden>; <address@hidden>
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: Naturals on all notes

In the key of C minor, Eb is an unaltared note. Would you want to put a
natural on the Eb?
no, i'm only interested in notating atonal music in the tradition of 2d
vienna school composers and the Universal Edition, I want to have a natural
OR a Sharp OR a flat on every every note. I do not want a key signature.

If that is the case, it might be worthwhile to persue removing all key
signatures including the default key signature of C major. But even then a
natural is assumed in the absence of an accidental.
here's my problem.. I want the natural to be forced to appear exactly as any
alteration (by using the ! sign for example but it doesn't work on

But again, the absence of an accidental implies a natural, so having
naturals in front of all notes by default is impossible.

Or you can follow each note with  \natural to put a natural before each
that may be the answer to my question

an acciental scheme automating that /natural command will be most welcome
for new music composers..


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mehmet Okonsar" <address@hidden>
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Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 2:27 AM
Subject: Naturals on all notes

> How to get naturals on all non-altered notes by default?
> None of the accidental schemes seems to do that..
> Thanks
> Best Regards,
> Mehmet Okonsar, pianist-composer
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