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Re: Pages and line breaks

From: Joshua Koo
Subject: Re: Pages and line breaks
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:06:15 +0800

Haha, sorry I didnt elabroate, but many a time its issnt use in battles, but 
rather to understand a situation.  The phrase is found in verse 18 from Chapter 
3 and can be read here , and of course 
if you are interested you can ready the tons of analysis on it, and how u can 
apply it as daily stratigies. I used to read those cartoon rendering of these 
war books, they are fun, easy, funny to read.

Anyway whats a troll? says:   troll.
a. To fish for by trailing a baited line from behind a slowly moving boat. 
b. To fish in by trailing a baited line: troll the lake for bass. 
c. To trail (a baited line) in fishing. 

But in the music terms, 
a. To sing in succession the parts of (a round, for example). 
b. To sing heartily: troll a carol

Feeding the troll certainly doesnt sounds pleasant, but I am not that troll. 
I'm not going to start flames here, and anyway I satified with the answers you 
give. Be sure not even to think of feeding me. I just came home from a trip to 
the zoo. :) Sorry if I fail to comprehend your languange.

======= At 2004-06-19, 21:39:37 you wrote: =======

>Joshua Koo writes:
>> Any decent scores that I have will start on the first page, and when
>> the music ends, the music ends near the bottom at the last page.
>> But for Lilypond, I find it weird because music sometimes end at the
>> last page midway, which means thats about half page blank.
>Yes.  That is because it is a hard thing to get right, and lots of
>things needed to be changed before I could start on this problem.
>FYI, LilyPond has lots of areas of improvement.
>> By determining how many pages to use, I guess Lilypond should be
>> able to calculate the number of bars for each page, and if to space
>> out more(maybe for longer notes), or to use bigger staff sizes.
>We thought about this, as I said in my previous mail.  I do not think
>we will have this sort of trickery any time soon.  I think it is
>better to ask the user to change the scaling, change the margins or
>change the note spacing.
>I'm afraid that trickery is not easy to implement, that it will
>probably just not do what the user wants and will be clumsy to
>influence if the outcome is not what you want.
>> Good scores have good turns
>The problem is to determine what those are.  There's currently only
>one good algorithm that I know to work: ask an engraving expert.  You
>can help finding an algorithm that can be translated into code by
>experimenting, as I suggested in my previous mail.
>> there's this Chinise saying like "know thy enemies, know thyself,
>> 100 battles fought, 100 battles won"
>What are your enimies, and what are you going to do to fight them?
>> Was just thinking if Lilypond doesn't have (but I think it does
>> have) any methods of determining for page breaks, these can be
>> considered.
>LilyPond 2.3.4 has page breaking that you can influence by giving
>penalties.  If you think more automation is important, you are invited
>to play with the penalties and work on an algorithm to implement.
>Please give me the feeling that I'm not feeding a troll.
>Jan Nieuwenhuizen <address@hidden> | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter
>       |

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