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Re: Moving guitar fingering orientations

From: Jonathan Kulp
Subject: Re: Moving guitar fingering orientations
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:17:19 -0500
User-agent: Thunderbird (X11/20080925)

This is a good suggestion, but be sure that what you say is "fingering orientation" needs a chord construct, not just "fingering." One can also see examples of successful fingering orientations with single notes by clicking on the inspirational header. I definitely used some in that. I realize it should be *more* obvious, but at least there's some help there ;-) I definitely understand the problem since I had exactly the same problem when I was revising this section of the docs and I couldn't figure out why the orientations didn't take. My own notes make the same suggestion as Nick, but since the "fingering" part of the manual was somewhere else," I wasn't able to add this warning, and I don't remember making any examples using orientations in the fretted string section (did I?!). We'll get it cleared up :)


Nick Payne wrote:

I think the problem is that all the snippets in s.2.4.1 of the manual
showing placing of fingering use actual chords as illustrations, and so it
is not made clear that a single note also requires the chord construct to
enable placing of the fingering. The same problem exists in the section
dealing with fingering at
r-fretted-strings#Common-notation-for-fretted-strings - the snippets showing
placement of fingering use actual chords. Section 2.4.1 of the manual has a
highlighted pullout indicating that the chordal construction is needed for
string numbering: "Note: String numbers must be defined inside a chord
construct even if there is only a single note". I suggest that the section
on fingering instructions has a similar pullout indicating that the same
construction is needed for placing the fingering on single notes, and an
example of such.

-----Original Message-----
From: Trevor Daniels [mailto:address@hidden
Sent: Sunday, 12 October 2008 19:07
To: Nick Payne; address@hidden
Subject: Re: Moving guitar fingering orientations


d_3 puts fingering below the staff, d^3 above the staff and d-3 leaves
LilyPond to choose.

The section in the manual which you mention says "Fingering
instructions may
be manually placed above or below the staff, see Direction and
and that section tells you how.

The \fingeringOrientations command is specifically for chords, that's
why it
only works for them.  This is perhaps not made crystal clear in the
although the heading of the snippet which describes the command is
"Controlling the placement of chord fingerings".

Now you know, could you suggest how the manual wording might be changed
prevent others having the same difficulty?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Payne" <address@hidden>
To: <address@hidden>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:38 AM
Subject: RE: Moving guitar fingering orientations

Thanks, that fixes it. But according to the documentation, the single
chordal construction is only needed for string indications, not for
Fingering-instructions). So it looks like you can show fingering
making every fingered note a chord, but if you want the fingering to
anywhere except the default location, then it has to have < > around
fingered note.


-----Original Message-----
From: James E. Bailey [mailto:address@hidden
Sent: Sunday, 12 October 2008 16:01
To: Nick Payne
Cc: address@hidden
Subject: Re: Moving guitar fingering orientations

I don't know too much about fingerings, but did you try putting each
note inside a chord?

On 12.10.2008, at 05:50, Nick Payne wrote:

I'm trying to get my fingering indications below the noteheads
fingeringOrientations = #'(down), but they remain resolutely above
the beam.
I also tried (left) and (right) with no change either. My two bar
test input
and output are attached. Can anyone tell me why this isn't
using 2.11.61 on WinXP.
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