Re: [Qemu-devel] quick gtk2.c update

[jeebs]

"Jim C. Brown"
> I disagree. I think distributing the GTK library with qemu (even for 
> windows
> versions) is a very bad idea. At most, the qemu installer should just 
> download
> and run the GTK installer. At most.

It's a very bad idea to have the installer need to go back on to the net to 
download something else.

The user should get the whole thing at once.


> GTK libraries are not part of qemu, they are a separate resource that qemu
> depends on.

As far as the user is concerned, they are part of qemu.


> qemu is 3.4M here. So I don't think that is so bad. Especially when that 
> one

It shouldn't be.

There isn't that much conceptually different between windows and linux that 
should cause it to be that big.


> set of 6M libs can be shared by many different applications (qemu, xchat, 
> etc).

Not under windows, it wont be.

For us Windows users, qemu will be the only program we use that will need 
gtk libs.

Realistically, we don't need GTK.  We've already got a GUI with an api. 
That's what windows programmers use.  The vast majority of us will never use 
xchat etc.  Qemu may be the only one they use.


And it's not a good idea to distribute the libraries seperately.

Or put them in the Windows system directory.  Too much junk gets put there 
already due to years and years of poor programming, careless authors, 
indifferent programmers, and Microsoft's encouragement.


>> As for the gui... Well, I haven't seen that yet.  What little I see looks
>> the same boring Windows window that qemu always runs in.  The gtk version
>> isn't usable yet.

> The GTK version, on Linux, is perfectly usable. It is no more usable than 
> the
> SDL version, but no less.

But it's not usable on Windows yet.

As I said, so far, I'm not seeing *any* gui.  Even the keyboard is messed 
up, so you can't even use the guest OS.


> On Windows, you have no fullscreen support. Everything else should be 
> exactly
> the same. If it's not, I'll try to fix it.

I never use full screen, myself.

I much prefer a window.  Preferably one that's resizable, scroll bars, etc. 
etc.

>> It runs, but there are keyboard problems.
>>
>
> What keyboard problems? There shouldn't be any for the GTK version.

As I said in the other message (which I may have accidently sent directly to 
you, instead of the list)

It's not doing the regular US keyboard.  At least it doesn't eappear to be.

I can get symbols, a few letters, but not the whole thing.  And none of it
is normal.  Press '1' to get 'n' and so on.

However, it doesn't appear that the -k keyboard option works for the windows
version.

I tried my builds and the official 0.70 build and they don't accept it
either.

I tried -k fr -k de -k en-us and so on, and they don't recognise it.

(I've never tried the -k option before, but according to the docs, it isn't 
needed for Windows builds.  So it may not be enabled.)

So, assuming the problem is that gtk can't recognise I'm using a US
keyboard, I can't do anything to force it.