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Re: Frequent locales problems for new users


From: Gábor Boskovits
Subject: Re: Frequent locales problems for new users
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 19:02:12 +0100

Hello,

Ludovic Courtès <address@hidden> ezt írta (időpont: 2020. márc. 21., Szo 16:37):
Hi Leo,

Leo Famulari <address@hidden> skribis:

> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 04:07:22PM +0100, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
>> As for ‘glibc-utf8-locales’ vs. ‘glibc-locales’: the reason for choosing
>> the former by default over the latter is size (14 MiB vs. 917 MiB).
>
> Oof! I was going by the manual, which says 110 MiB. That does change
> things...

Yes, I was also surprised.

The patch below produces a package that includes all the UTF-8 locales
(actually I had written that patch long ago, it feels like we’re running
in circles :-)).

It takes ages to build, and when it’s finally done:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
$ ./pre-inst-env guix build -e '((@@ (gnu packages base) make-glibc-utf8-locales/full))'
substitute: updating substitutes from 'https://ci.guix.gnu.org'... 100.0%
substitute: updating substitutes from 'https://ci.guix.gnu.org'... 100.0%
substituting /gnu/store/jdfs3xvlnj272475yja6bjrprfsgnkdd-glibc-2.29...
downloading from https://ci.guix.gnu.org/nar/lzip/jdfs3xvlnj272475yja6bjrprfsgnkdd-glibc-2.29...
 glibc-2.29  8.2MiB                                                       1.8MiB/s 00:05 [##################] 100.0%

building /gnu/store/w08zi9vnkd7bxpfvm5lgjyb30i7k7sw4-glibc-supported-utf8-locales.scm.drv...
successfully built /gnu/store/w08zi9vnkd7bxpfvm5lgjyb30i7k7sw4-glibc-supported-utf8-locales.scm.drv
building /gnu/store/ps6wh05pwjp5b0l9rh2yglv3sggpgcw4-glibc-utf8-locales-2.29.drv...
successfully built /gnu/store/ps6wh05pwjp5b0l9rh2yglv3sggpgcw4-glibc-utf8-locales-2.29.drv
/gnu/store/p0knl9ggxk91x87ww702g2x78jxy1vgf-glibc-utf8-locales-2.29
ludo@ribbon ~/src/guix$ guix size /gnu/store/p0knl9ggxk91x87ww702g2x78jxy1vgf-glibc-utf8-locales-2.29 | tail -1
total: 855.7 MiB
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

So I think that’s when we reached the conclusion that we needed
parameterized packages to allow users to choose the locale(s) they need
or special support in ‘guix package’.

I believe we could also add individual locales as outputs. Then we just have to make sure that they are included to the LOCPATH. I believe we could do this to the frequently used locales, and direct users to only install out when they don't find an output with their locale. Wdyt?

:-/

Attached is the list of supported UTF-8 locales, 312 in total.

Thoughts?  How do other distros deal with this?  Are we missing some
trick to compress locale data?

Ludo’.
g_bor

("aa_DJ"
 "aa_ER"
 "aa_ER@saaho"
 "aa_ET"
 "af_ZA"
 "agr_PE"
 "ak_GH"
 "am_ET"
 "an_ES"
 "anp_IN"
 "ar_AE"
 "ar_BH"
 "ar_DZ"
 "ar_EG"
 "ar_IN"
 "ar_IQ"
 "ar_JO"
 "ar_KW"
 "ar_LB"
 "ar_LY"
 "ar_MA"
 "ar_OM"
 "ar_QA"
 "ar_SA"
 "ar_SD"
 "ar_SS"
 "ar_SY"
 "ar_TN"
 "ar_YE"
 "ayc_PE"
 "az_AZ"
 "az_IR"
 "as_IN"
 "ast_ES"
 "be_BY"
 "be_BY@latin"
 "bem_ZM"
 "ber_DZ"
 "ber_MA"
 "bg_BG"
 "bhb_IN"
 "bho_IN"
 "bho_NP"
 "bi_VU"
 "bn_BD"
 "bn_IN"
 "bo_CN"
 "bo_IN"
 "br_FR"
 "brx_IN"
 "bs_BA"
 "byn_ER"
 "ca_AD"
 "ca_ES"
 "ca_ES@valencia"
 "ca_FR"
 "ca_IT"
 "ce_RU"
 "chr_US"
 "cmn_TW"
 "crh_UA"
 "cs_CZ"
 "csb_PL"
 "cv_RU"
 "cy_GB"
 "da_DK"
 "de_AT"
 "de_BE"
 "de_CH"
 "de_DE"
 "de_IT"
 "de_LI"
 "de_LU"
 "doi_IN"
 "dsb_DE"
 "dv_MV"
 "dz_BT"
 "el_GR"
 "el_CY"
 "en_AG"
 "en_AU"
 "en_BW"
 "en_CA"
 "en_DK"
 "en_GB"
 "en_HK"
 "en_IE"
 "en_IL"
 "en_IN"
 "en_NG"
 "en_NZ"
 "en_PH"
 "en_SC"
 "en_SG"
 "en_US"
 "en_ZA"
 "en_ZM"
 "en_ZW"
 "eo"
 "es_AR"
 "es_BO"
 "es_CL"
 "es_CO"
 "es_CR"
 "es_CU"
 "es_DO"
 "es_EC"
 "es_ES"
 "es_GT"
 "es_HN"
 "es_MX"
 "es_NI"
 "es_PA"
 "es_PE"
 "es_PR"
 "es_PY"
 "es_SV"
 "es_US"
 "es_UY"
 "es_VE"
 "et_EE"
 "eu_ES"
 "fa_IR"
 "ff_SN"
 "fi_FI"
 "fil_PH"
 "fo_FO"
 "fr_BE"
 "fr_CA"
 "fr_CH"
 "fr_FR"
 "fr_LU"
 "fur_IT"
 "fy_NL"
 "fy_DE"
 "ga_IE"
 "gd_GB"
 "gez_ER"
 "gez_ER@abegede"
 "gez_ET"
 "gez_ET@abegede"
 "gl_ES"
 "gu_IN"
 "gv_GB"
 "ha_NG"
 "hak_TW"
 "he_IL"
 "hi_IN"
 "hif_FJ"
 "hne_IN"
 "hr_HR"
 "hsb_DE"
 "ht_HT"
 "hu_HU"
 "hy_AM"
 "ia_FR"
 "id_ID"
 "ig_NG"
 "ik_CA"
 "is_IS"
 "it_CH"
 "it_IT"
 "iu_CA"
 "ja_JP"
 "ka_GE"
 "kab_DZ"
 "kk_KZ"
 "kl_GL"
 "km_KH"
 "kn_IN"
 "ko_KR"
 "kok_IN"
 "ks_IN"
 "ks_IN@devanagari"
 "ku_TR"
 "kw_GB"
 "ky_KG"
 "lb_LU"
 "lg_UG"
 "li_BE"
 "li_NL"
 "lij_IT"
 "ln_CD"
 "lo_LA"
 "lt_LT"
 "lv_LV"
 "lzh_TW"
 "mag_IN"
 "mai_IN"
 "mai_NP"
 "mfe_MU"
 "mg_MG"
 "mhr_RU"
 "mi_NZ"
 "miq_NI"
 "mjw_IN"
 "mk_MK"
 "ml_IN"
 "mn_MN"
 "mni_IN"
 "mr_IN"
 "ms_MY"
 "mt_MT"
 "my_MM"
 "nan_TW"
 "nan_TW@latin"
 "nb_NO"
 "nds_DE"
 "nds_NL"
 "ne_NP"
 "nhn_MX"
 "niu_NU"
 "niu_NZ"
 "nl_AW"
 "nl_BE"
 "nl_NL"
 "nn_NO"
 "nr_ZA"
 "nso_ZA"
 "oc_FR"
 "om_ET"
 "om_KE"
 "or_IN"
 "os_RU"
 "pa_IN"
 "pa_PK"
 "pap_AW"
 "pap_CW"
 "pl_PL"
 "ps_AF"
 "pt_BR"
 "pt_PT"
 "quz_PE"
 "raj_IN"
 "ro_RO"
 "ru_RU"
 "ru_UA"
 "rw_RW"
 "sa_IN"
 "sah_RU"
 "sat_IN"
 "sc_IT"
 "sd_IN"
 "sd_IN@devanagari"
 "se_NO"
 "sgs_LT"
 "shn_MM"
 "shs_CA"
 "si_LK"
 "sid_ET"
 "sk_SK"
 "sl_SI"
 "sm_WS"
 "so_DJ"
 "so_ET"
 "so_KE"
 "so_SO"
 "sq_AL"
 "sq_MK"
 "sr_ME"
 "sr_RS"
 "sr_RS@latin"
 "ss_ZA"
 "st_ZA"
 "sv_FI"
 "sv_SE"
 "sw_KE"
 "sw_TZ"
 "szl_PL"
 "ta_IN"
 "ta_LK"
 "tcy_IN"
 "te_IN"
 "tg_TJ"
 "th_TH"
 "the_NP"
 "ti_ER"
 "ti_ET"
 "tig_ER"
 "tk_TM"
 "tl_PH"
 "tn_ZA"
 "to_TO"
 "tpi_PG"
 "tr_CY"
 "tr_TR"
 "ts_ZA"
 "tt_RU"
 "tt_RU@iqtelif"
 "ug_CN"
 "uk_UA"
 "unm_US"
 "ur_IN"
 "ur_PK"
 "uz_UZ"
 "uz_UZ@cyrillic"
 "ve_ZA"
 "vi_VN"
 "wa_BE"
 "wae_CH"
 "wal_ET"
 "wo_SN"
 "xh_ZA"
 "yi_US"
 "yo_NG"
 "yue_HK"
 "yuw_PG"
 "zh_CN"
 "zh_HK"
 "zh_SG"
 "zh_TW"
 "zu_ZA")

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