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Re: Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware?
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Christine Lemmer-Webber |
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Re: Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware? |
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Thu, 24 Feb 2022 19:27:37 -0500 |
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I am all for these conversations; they are good to have as a society, to
examine our social foundations in earnest dialogue. But I think they've
approached a point on here where they're no longer about Guix
development, in particular, so probably should be moved off-list.
Martin Becze <martin@becze.org> writes:
> [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]]
> My point to here is not to argue a "libertarian" viewpoint (I'm not
> one), but to argue that there or other consideration to mining crypto
> and that it is outside the realm of the free software movement from
> which Guix's package inclusion policy is derived. You or I might not
> like or agree with the over viewpoints but that should be fine with in
> the context of free software and operating systems. This is also
> foundational to liberalism and having a functional government in the
> first place.
>
>> Who is going to pay and provide all of this
> I personal think it would be wonderful if governments focused on
> providing those things and mechanism such as the harbinger tax could
> be great and removing control of the monetary supply from the state
> would greatly reduce its ability to fund military expenditures. For
> reference David graeber's Debt: The First 5000 Years is an interesting
> narrative of how money's evolution was impart driven by the waging of
> mass war.
>
> On 2/24/22 10:23, Hartmut Goebel wrote:
>
>> CW: politics below
>>
>> Am 20.02.22 um 21:39 schrieb Martin Becze:
>>> But undermining the governments ability to raise tax and therefor
>>> to wage war or not expending energy to prevent government theft is
>>> the ‘controversial morality’ that I am sure can be agreed to death
>>> and which probably doesn't belong on this list.
>>
>> Undermining the governments ability to raise tax also means
>> undermining the ability to build schools, kindergartens, public
>> libraries, public transport, streets, etc. Who is going to pay and
>> provide all of this, If there is no democratically controlled(*)
>> government?
>>
>> You might argument that this will then be paid be wealthy people -
>> but the country will depend solely on their will and want. And these
>> wealthy people are not controlled at all. And these people might
>> wage war, too. We already had such a system in the medieval
>> time. It:s called feudalism.
>>
>> So nothing is won by undermining the government.
>>
>> (*) Democratic control still needs a lot of improvement. Esp. in the
>> USA where „the winner takes it all“ results in a two-party system,
>> which does not represent the people. But this is another issue.
>>
>>
>
> [2. OpenPGP public key --- application/pgp-keys;
> OpenPGP_0xB97E95F9DED5755D.asc]...
>
> [[End of PGP Signed Part]]
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