Re: [be] Re: About a web based Bible translation environment

[Dennis Drescher]

Hi Phil,

I guess, ideally, we need a more sophisticated web-app that allows this 
kind of collaboration and enables the MTT to translate 
thought-for-thought, not verse-for-verse. However, I know that wouldn't 
be easy.

I'm not a translator, I'm a publisher, so I don't pretend to understand 
all the intricacies of the translation task. All I know is that from 
what I've observed over the years, when translators get their manuscript 
to the publishing stage and start having it tested by fresh readers in 
something that is close to the final published format, there is more of 
a focus on naturalness issues because they are easier to see.

I think the latest version your link points too is the best yet. Maybe 
for now the best solution is just a little training or reminder to the 
MTT that the chapter/verse arrangement is only a referencing system for 
the sake of the computer and is not part of inspired Scripture. Maybe 
that would help some from breaking thoughts at verse boundaries. Just a 
thought.

Thanks for all your good work on this. I think it is a good direction to go.

In Him,

Dennis

bahasa kita wrote:
> Thanks for your chapter and verse comments, Dennis!
>
> As I actually started to work with my boxes, I also came to some of your 
> conclusions. Take a look at my newer format. It is much simpler to use 
> and create.
> https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AbRTHErTLxUWZGQ4ajVjOV8xMzNkNHBkczJoaw&hl=en 
> <https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AbRTHErTLxUWZGQ4ajVjOV8xMzNkNHBkczJoaw&hl=en>
>
> I do hope we can come up with something better than this. This is great 
> for collaboration and revision tracking, but we also need integration 
> with Bibledit.
>
> Phil
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Dennis Drescher <address@hidden 
> <mailto:address@hidden>> wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     \c 1
>
>     \v 1 I know that this is all intended
>     to get better tools into the hands of MTTs.
>
>     \v 2 The web is somewhat ubiquitous so
>     using technologies like GoogleDocs would
>     make it easy.
>
>     \v 3 However, to me this looks more like
>     a means to move data easier than to enable
>     MTTs to translate better.
>
>     \c 2
>
>     \v 4 How can an MTT translate a given text
>     if everything is kept in neat little boxes?
>
>     \v 5 Is there some way to enable people to
>     enter their translated text in a way that
>     which maintains more of a section/paragraph
>     structure,
>
>     \v 6 rather than a chapter/verse structure,
>     which really isn't that natural anyway? Just
>     wondering.
>
>     Dennis
>
>
>     bahasa kita wrote:
>
>         Below is a link to a proposed format for working on Scripture in
>         GoogleDocs.
>         I think this format would make it reasonably easy for MTTs to
>         work on Bible translation on-line. This format would also make
>         it easy to transfer the result to Bibledit for formatting,
>         running various checks, etc.
>
>         Proposed new Format for Gdocs:
>         
> https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AbRTHErTLxUWZGQ4ajVjOV8xMzI5OHg5cGhjbQ&hl=en
>         
> <https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AbRTHErTLxUWZGQ4ajVjOV8xMzI5OHg5cGhjbQ&hl=en>
>         
> <https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AbRTHErTLxUWZGQ4ajVjOV8xMzI5OHg5cGhjbQ&hl=en
>         
> <https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AbRTHErTLxUWZGQ4ajVjOV8xMzI5OHg5cGhjbQ&hl=en>>
>
>
>
>         Here is an example of our Old format:
>         
> https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AbRTHErTLxUWZGQ4ajVjOV8xNzZobm1wcXpkeg&hl=en
>         
> <https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AbRTHErTLxUWZGQ4ajVjOV8xNzZobm1wcXpkeg&hl=en>
>         
> <https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AbRTHErTLxUWZGQ4ajVjOV8xNzZobm1wcXpkeg&hl=en
>         
> <https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AbRTHErTLxUWZGQ4ajVjOV8xNzZobm1wcXpkeg&hl=en>>
>
>         Phil