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Re: ANNOUNCE : HelpViewer 0.1


From: Nicolas Roard
Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE : HelpViewer 0.1
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:10:18 +0100

On 2003-01-22 09:02:03 +0100 Andreas Heppel <address@hidden> wrote:

On 2003-01-21 18:52:05 +0100 ibotty <address@hidden> wrote:


Ah !  in fact I was right then .. ;-) you get the whole help file, you're juste
poited to the right section. Quite different than tooltip then
sorry, but i understand context sensitive help differently.

this kind of help is in my understanding a (huge) tooltip.
thats how at least kde and windoze understand it too.
And that's the way I understand it.

Well that's one way to provide context help ... OPENSTEP fire up the
equivalent of helpviewer and point out the right section, as mentioned
on http://docs.sun.com/db/doc/802-2110/6i63kq4sm?a=view (at least
some versions of OPENSTEP ;-)


i think we shouldnt differ from both.

Hmm I disagree... for two raisons : 1) if we choose to implement context
help the same way as OPENSTEP, we could reuse helpviewer and it's
very quick to add ; and 2) I think the OPENSTEP method is more consistent and 
useable, as you could have access on the whole help file on the same occasion 
if needed.

i just checked my kde.
in kde you have a extra window hint for context help.
you just click it, then the view, and it displays a tooltip.
(if not in kwin, open e.g. kcontrol and click help->"whats this?" in the menu, 
you get the same.)
In Windoze you have this litle question mark in the title bar (at least it used 
to be there when I last used it a long time ago :)In my understanding this has 
the same meaning as this ominous 'Help key'.

Yes.

This also the way I understand the OpenStep API. In NSHelpManager you have
- (void) setContextHelp: (NSAttributedString *) help withObject: (id) object
used to assign one little piece of text to anUI element (or even an otherobject 
which wouldn't make much sense, though).
-> Kind of enhanced tooltips.

Well as Jonathan Gapel explained it, the context help system was first provided 
with a huge panel containing the help file, and in OPENSTEP 4.2
they choose to go with a more usual form (as Windows or KDE does, a small panel 
with only the text, sort of big tooltip). But personnally I think the solution
#1 (big panel) is better. We need to choose ;)

I doubt that this is used much and would prefer one centralized viewer (either 
HelpViwer or some internal GNUstep tool) bringing me to the requested bit of 
information. This  also had the advantage that from here I could follow a link 
to a different topic or open another help file which I can't with the current 
implementation of contect help (or the way I interpret its API).

Exactly. #1 go !  :-))

--
Nicolas Roard <address@hidden>
http://info.xdev.org/projets/waiho
the linux philosophy is laugh in the face of danger. Oops. Wrong one. 'Do it 
yourself'. That's it.





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