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Re: really attracting developers


From: Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf
Subject: Re: really attracting developers
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 15:19:15 +0200


Am 03.09.2006 um 12:36 schrieb address@hidden:

Well, I will never know,
Although I put like 100 hours in trying to compile gnustep on my intel mac, i didn't get even close of getting there. (I even tried installing plain darwin, but that could not fix the problems.)

Just a question: did you try to use:

http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/ports/?by=name&substr=GNUstep

or did you follow:

http://www.gnustep.org/resources/documentation/User/GNUstep/ README.Darwin (a little bit out of date I fear. There was a wikipage derived from that but I don't know where this is gone ... )


Some additional info:

the DarwinPorts project is in the process of migrating to http:// www.macports.org/, so expect some rough edges. But you can always ask for help at:

address@hidden

especially look out for a guy called Yves de Champlain (address@hidden darwin.org)

So it was like impossible to get it running, so the first step of porting an osx app to gnustep was already to hard.
Then I thought of installing gnustep on my windows box instead.
Installation was a dream, due to the great package provided for windows. But after that, gnustep did not even compile most of the apps that were available on the gnustep site itself. And also the developer-tools were not apparent how to use, and did even crash, or had unexpected behavior. The gnustep site did not mention it was developed for main usage on linux. So, after finding out, I installed linux, and used binary packages. Now most things did work. BUT I DON'T WANT TO USE LINUX! I want to use this great nextstep framework and the beauty of objective-c to work on *windows* Because I want my apps to be *available* like that is why I hate the mac cocoa framework, and gnustep would be it! And that is why I don't want to
develop for linux!
On windows, the gnustep framework needs to be installed first. And it does not look like any other windows app, so users don't understand the slightest bit what to do. *unlike* when using osx! This is not acceptable. Because I cannot expect them to figure it out, they aren't programmers. So I didn't even get to that great ide/libraries to test them in the first place... Now I figured out that objective-c and windows libraries don't even compile together, there is very little I can do with
my OSX code on a pc...
I really would like to develop for gnustep. But:
- it has to run on windows smoothly and beautifully, with the app having a windows like gui. (Come on guys, windows is the most used platform! This would bring nextstep to the masses!) (- same maybe for linux/unix, with the app having a more common unix like experience (kde?) (Don't want to leave ppl out, right)) - Also remarks should be added to the website about best practices, so that not too many hours should be spend on setting up configurations that do not give the expected results.
- Developer-tools should look and behave more "finished"
- There should be converter tools to assist making osx source run on gnustep
So this is why this developer is still kept from gnustep (unwillingly)

Ewoud

On Aug 25, 2006, at 12:05 PM, Rogelio Serrano wrote:

Whats keeping other developers from gnustep?

incomplete ide?
incomplete nextstep based system?
incomplete libraries?

i don't buy the general applications unavailability argument. we are
talking about people who want to create apps under gnustep.

i don't buy the appearance argument either.

--
things i hate about my linux pc:

1. it takes more than a second to boot up
2. keeps asking about filenames and directories
3. does not remember what i was working on yesterday
4. does not remember all the changes i have ever made
5.cannot figure out necessary settings by itself

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