Re: Plans for ahead

[Gregory Casamento]

Luis,

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Luis Garcia Alanis <luis@garcia.tv> wrote:
> I agree with Alessandro! I love NeXT look, but IDK how much is just
> nostalgia for a time long gone.

For us it's nostalgia and we certainly all love it.  Including me.

> Now we need to know how to approach this????
> 1) We need support from the team if the theme is to get anywhere, or at
> least a dictatorial hand that can forge the direction of the project.
> Gregory Casamento, Gregory Casamento, Gregory Casamento, Gregory Casamento,
> Gregory Casamento, do you like the idea of starting with an initial theme of
> Rik?? and polish that theme?

I think it's way to early in this discussion to make a final decision
about any given theme.  I think what is needed is a redesigned look.
Rik is a great theme and I would like to see it made one of the
official themes.

> 2) We need to put the code on the soruce tree and make it the default. Again
> Gregory Casamentos voice is needed since he is the project mantainer.

I believe what is needed here is a special case in the theming code
which will cause a given theme to be used as the default from the
beginning.... it is simply too much work to remove the NeXT theme
which is built in.   So we handle it like Windows 7 did... where the
"classic", so called "THEME" is really the un-themed desktop. :)

> 3) we need to define what is needed in terms of icons/and missing theme
> features. Also can we take/borrow/modify some GPL related gnome icons? at
> least for an initial release? Gregory Casamento? eventually when someone
> savy and qualified appears we can create our own. We are talking MVP here to
> take advantage of the momentum.

The only way to definitively find these issues is to start writing
code.   Any new default theme will still be a theme package.

> Thanks
> Luis

P.S. I think that's the most times I've ever seen my name mentioned in
an email...ever. :)


> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Alessandro Sangiuliano <a01000010@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Il giorno 03/dic/2015, alle ore 18:04, Riccardo Mottola
>> <riccardo.mottola@libero.it> ha scritto:
>>
>> Hi Liam,
>>
>>
>> Liam Proven wrote:
>>
>> If we can get more exposure for GNUstep, get it in front of more
>> people, get it better known, then it will get more interest, more code
>> contributions, more development.
>>
>> I don't want to change it. Improve it, yes. Change it, no.
>>
>>
>> Improvement is a Change, change is not always improvement! Becoming more
>> flexible about the appearance, while improving even the default one is not
>> an impossible goal.
>>
>> I'm in part interested in it because it looks like NeXTstep, and I
>> think NeXTstep is the best-looking desktop there has ever been. So I
>> am strongly opposed to those who want new themes: I think it already
>> is nearly perfect and all the alternative themes are less attractive,
>> to me.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for these words. Sometimes I feel the only one that likes the NeXT
>> paradigm.
>> I am into GNUstep also because of the way it feels, not just because of
>> the APIs!
>> I don't like these themes as Rik's that are just a Mac mock.
>>
>>
>> Well, yes and no, I also can say that the default GNUstep theme, is just a
>> NeXT mock, and probably is because many people don’t like it. Rik could
>> appear as a Mac mock, but I and Riccardo Canalicchio implemented it to show
>> what GNUstep can do and can be (NeXT-like with the original theme,
>> modern-like using the concept of theming coming from Cocoa, because GNUstep
>> is following Cocoa now right?), so it is more than a simple Mac mock. I
>> also, with some classes, modify the beavhior of certain GUI elements, like
>> NSPopUpButton, to behave as a modern DE; indeed for e.g, it now tracks the
>> mouse events, when the cursor is inside the cellFrame of the PopUp Button;
>> before this little modification, a person had to click the mouse button,
>> then stay with the button clicked, drag the cursor to the items of the
>> PopUpButton, and finally release the mouse button to choice the item of
>> interest; it was intercepting mouseUp events to select items. I don’t like
>> the original behavior that’s is clearly coming from NeXT… I also know a
>> person that has a little problem on his hand, the one he uses to move the
>> mouse. He can’t stay with the mouse button pushed and, at the same time,
>> drag the mouse to the item of interest; he just can’t; in the world I
>> strongly think that he isn’t the only person with this kind of problem(s);
>> so Rik is also looking to the accessibility, in the concept of “easy to use”
>> to every one, also for people that have a similar and little handicap (now
>> just click on the element of interest inside the menu generated from
>> NSPupUpButton, as you do in Windows, Gnome 3, Os X, KDE, XFCE,
>> Enlightenment, MATE/GNOME 2, Fluxbox and also wmaker’s menus).
>>
>> Fortunately GNUstep is flexible in this field and satisfies our need, it
>> supports theming and different interface styles, and this put all together;
>> but if we are saying on the site that we are following Cocoa, then we have
>> to show that we are following Cocoa, and to show that we are following
>> Cocoa, we should do that from the “first impact”, and the first impact it’s
>> ever the look, especially for people that don’t know GNUstep internals (API,
>> features, what is, what does, etc).
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alex.
>>
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