Re: Plans for ahead

[Gregory Casamento]

Not yet, but there will be soon.   I am working on it as we speak.  As
soon as I get some output in the window, I'll push.

GC

On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 4:40 PM, James Carthew <jcarthew@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there a repository online where I can take a look? I'm interested in
> this, I'm more of a C developer than obj-c unfortunately.
>
> On 6 December 2015 at 00:01, Gregory Casamento <greg.casamento@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I have started this as it seems I'm the only one interested in seeing it
>> happen this way. I worked on this kind of thing when I worked on Winamp for
>> AOL so I know it's possible and relatively easy to do.
>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 17:53 James Carthew <jcarthew@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> A lot of great arguments in here, I agree that making it easier to port
>>> Macintosh games to Linux using GNUstep is a worthy goal. I also agree that
>>> the creators of Simple Webkit/Vespucci may want to use it as a simple HTML
>>> viewer similar to the Microsoft Help Viewer and may not want to extend the
>>> program into a full browser. That's OK.
>>>
>>> Now as a desktop user who would like to run GUNstep full time, I have to
>>> ask, has anyone actually started making chromium embedded embed into a
>>> gnustep window? I used Mantella in the past and I was happy with it.
>>> Mantella was this exact idea with firefox. Unfortunately the interface to
>>> firefox they used was deprecated.
>>>
>>> On 4 December 2015 at 23:32, Gregory Casamento <greg.casamento@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Riccardo,
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 4:49 AM, Riccardo Mottola
>>>> <riccardo.mottola@libero.it> wrote:
>>>> > Hi,
>>>> >
>>>> > H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Hi Greg,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Am 04.12.2015 um 08:04 schrieb Gregory Casamento
>>>> >> <greg.casamento@gmail.com>:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Nikolaus,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> There are many reasons why SWK is behind:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 1) It has a very large head start...
>>>> >>> 2) WebKit has critical mass.
>>>> >>> 3) Tons of people are contributing to it and, more importantly,
>>>> >>> testing
>>>> >>> it
>>>> >>> 4)  it is well known and widely used.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Yes, you are right. But all those arguments also hold for the whole
>>>> >> GNUstep
>>>> >> project compared to anything else. But do we stop it for any of these
>>>> >> reasons?
>>>>
>>>> No one said for you guys to stop.   Similarly I think we should
>>>> proceed on writing a browser using CEF.
>>>>
>>>> > Exactly, these arguments come up over and over again. Hy don't we use
>>>> > GTK
>>>> > directly? or Windows or Mac?
>>>> > where do you draw a line?
>>>>
>>>> The answer is we are all free to do or use whatever we wish.   SWK
>>>> will continue to advance and will hopefully one day match the
>>>> functionality of webkit, but in the mean time we need a browser.   And
>>>> the only way to do that today in a way that is viable for every day
>>>> use given then complexities and expectations most people have of
>>>> web-browsers is to use CEF to back it.
>>>>
>>>> >> Well, where could we be today if there had been just 10 contributions
>>>> >> per
>>>> >> month
>>>> >> in the past ~5 years since I presented SWK the last time at FOSDEM...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> For the same reasons I have reduced the number of my contributions to
>>>> >> GNUstep...
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > I think then I would be be browsing GNUstep's Documentation on my
>>>> > letux 400
>>>> > :)
>>>> > And you could display search for "GNUstep" in duckduckgo.com (at least
>>>> > in
>>>> > the conveniently provided non-JS version) on your OpenMoko or your
>>>> > wonderful
>>>> > "tablet" I still remember.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately the Letux is outmoded and the OpenMoko is no longer
>>>> practical given the current state of smart phones.
>>>>
>>>> >>>    SWK is
>>>> >>> missing many critical features, not the least of which is javascript
>>>> >>> support.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It has some rudimentary JS support (ECMAscript = JS)... E.g.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/gnustep/libs/simplewebkit/trunk/Sources/ECMAScriptParser.m?revision=37330&view=markup
>>>> >>
>>>> >> But indeed nothing which works for doing anything useful.
>>>> >> Mainly the connection between JS and the DOM trees is missing.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > For the real usage I envision in short-term for SWK, better CSS and
>>>> > Form
>>>> > support is actually more important than JS I think. Although some
>>>> > rudimentary JS is very convenient.
>>>> >
>>>> >> I am not saying "no" to alternate approaches. Yes, please go ahead!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> If SWK is enough pain so that someone eventually provides a really
>>>> >> better
>>>> >> browser,
>>>> >> SWK has reached its goal :)
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > Isn't there place for two or more engines in the world? If you like
>>>> > warship,
>>>> > you may love a Bismarck [1]. But I bet they aren't for everything! you
>>>> > need
>>>> > a small fast boat like a Riva Aquarama [2] too! Then you sure enjoy a
>>>> > tour
>>>> > on the lake.
>>>> > Does it have 12 superheated boilers to travel at 30 knots using
>>>> > 150.000 HP?
>>>> > No, but it traveled at 45 knots! and the Mahogany is perhaps more
>>>> > comfortable than hardened steel. It doesn't carry 4 planes either, but
>>>> > perhaps you can have a bottle of champagne and a woman at your side.
>>>> > Your choice. And we can have both in your yard.
>>>> > By discussing the way we do we won't have probably anything or end at
>>>> > most
>>>> > with a cargo ship.
>>>> >
>>>> > Discussions to "plan ahead" are nice, as well as sharing opinions is.
>>>> > But
>>>> > these kind of threads aren't of good. They end up offending existing
>>>> > developers, stirring up souls and reducing commits.
>>>> >
>>>> > Riccardo
>>>> >
>>>> > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_battleship_Bismarck
>>>> > [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riva_Aquarama
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gregory Casamento
>>>> GNUstep Lead Developer / OLC, Principal Consultant
>>>> http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com
>>>> http://ind.ie/phoenix/
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