Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: Extension language

[Miles Bader]

On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 09:48:48AM +0200, address@hidden wrote:
> > Sure it (subprocess control w/o an intervening shell) works from Perl or
> > Python, and I'm pretty sure Java. Likewise on win32.
> 
> The above (scsh) does not provide it; system calls /bin/sh, so how is this
> done?

Did you actually look at the referenced web page?  It describes
process-manipulation stuff that's apparently based directly on the
exec/fork/pipe system calls (though with nice abstractions on top too).

Presumably anytime someone says `process control without the shell' that's
the sort of thing they're talking about.

> Making a technical decision based on "I'm pretty sure Java can.."  is
> rather weak since I just told you it can't.

I've no idea about java, but perl certainly provides this sort of
functionality.  As it's simple to do, I'm not sure why java _wouldn't_
provide such a facility.

> So you would really be better off providing really good evedence instead of
> just calling me (implictly) a lyer.

????

> Btw; if you do know of a way to sidestep a shell; then you also can't put
> env variables in your shell-environment anymore.  Making your first argument
> moot.

Huh?  It's certainly not necessary to use a shell to pass environment
variables.  What are you talking about?

> I'm afraid that those solutions (which I would call workarounds) are not
> adequate, if only because they are not well known or are worse then the thing
> they try to prevent.

It's not at all clear what you mean by this.

> I really hope that you guys take advantage from each others experiences
> here; and start to act a bit more mature, since 'yes'/'no' fights without
> content are really boring to look at.

No comment....

-Miles
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