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Re: My signature and its (missing) space


From: Merciadri Luca
Subject: Re: My signature and its (missing) space
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:24:46 +0200
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Richard Riley <address@hidden> writes:

> Merciadri Luca <address@hidden> writes:
>
>> Richard Riley <address@hidden> writes:
>>
>>> Merciadri Luca <address@hidden> writes:
>>>
>>>> Richard Riley <address@hidden> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Merciadri Luca <address@hidden> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Richard Riley <address@hidden> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Merciadri Luca <address@hidden> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> address@hidden (Adam Sjøgren) writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How?
>>>>>>>> Like this, I think I did not do anything more to configure MailCrypt.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You quoted a lot of stuff which to my untrained eyes didn't look like 
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> had anything to do with Mailcrypt or defining that you want all your
>>>>>>>>> outgoing articles (Inline) pgp-signed.
>>>>>>>> That is everything I can give. I do not see any other interesting
>>>>>>>> elements in my .gnus and .emacs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I thought Mailcrypt was deprecated a long time ago? Isn't the 
>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>> recommended way epg?
>>>>>>>> According to http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/#download, the last
>>>>>>>> version is of Sept. 26, 2002. You should be right, but I did not had
>>>>>>>> any echoes about this. Everything that I can say is that it works
>>>>>>>> pretty well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Except for the problems? :-)
>>>>>> It is not a real problem for me, but I was astonished about such
>>>>>> reactions concerning my signature.
>>>>>
>>>>> What reaction? It was merely pointed out hat your signature is
>>>>> incorrectly set and that Gnu normally does it correctly. This suggests a
>>>>> bug in Gnu or an error on your part.
>>>>>
>>>> I hadn't thought that people would notice such a thing!
>>>
>>> You notice it when you reply. Gnus automatically cuts of the signature
>>> when its properly set. You not setting it correctly means it must be
>>> manually done or one must change the regexp which matches the "-- ".
>>> It's a minor inconvenience. Not the end of the world.
>> Yes, but I was surprised as it is a detail. I had never thought that
>> people would notice such a detail. But I anyway find it important.
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you try the settings I posted for using epa? I know it wasn't
>>>>>>> documented properly a while ago but I think its improved.
>>>>>> Yes, but it does not work with my settings. The configuration seems
>>>>>> really difficult, to make your code working in adequacy with my proper
>>>>>> settings.
>>>>>
>>>>> What settings do you have where you think the 2 or 3 lines I showed you
>>>>> dont work? Someone else helpfully suggested you are using the wrong, out
>>>>> of date and non supported mailcrypt for some reason. You need to use
>>>>> epa.
>>>> Principally, I have parameterized MIME settings for PGnus.
>>>
>>> What does that mean?
>> I am using a special configuration with homemade parameters. Here are
>> the potential things which would potentially interfere with my
>> settings:
>>
>> 1. MIME Settings (from my .gnus):
>>
>> ;; MIME Settings for PGnus
>>  (require 'mm-util)
>>  (defun mm-read-charset (prompt)
>>    "Return a charset."
>>    'iso-8859-15)
>>  (setq gnus-default-posting-charset (quote iso-8859-15))
>>  (setq gnus-article-decode-mime-words t)
>>  (setq gnus-article-decode-charset 1)
>>  (setq gnus-mime-view-all-parts t) ; View all the MIME parts in current 
>> article
>>  (setq gnus-ignored-mime-types
>>        '("text/x-vcard"))
>>  (setq gnus-unbuttonized-mime-types nil) ; MIME type -> no buttons when 
>> rendered
>>  (setq
>>  ;; Add buttons
>>   gnus-treat-buttonize t
>>   ;; Add buttons to the head
>>   gnus-treat-buttonize-head 'head
>>   ;; Emphasize text
>>   gnus-treat-emphasize t
>>   ;; Fill the article
>>   gnus-treat-fill-article nil
>> ;  ;; Remove carriage returns
>>   gnus-treat-strip-cr 'last
>>   ;; Hide headers
>>   gnus-treat-hide-headers 'head
>> ;  ;; Hide boring headers
>>   gnus-treat-hide-boring-headers 'head
>>   ;; Hide the signature
>>   gnus-treat-hide-signature nil
>>  ;; Hide cited text
>> ;  gnus-treat-hide-citation nil
>>   ;; Strip PGP signatures
>>   gnus-treat-strip-pgp 'last
>> ;  ;; Strip PEM signatures
>>   gnus-treat-strip-pem 'last
>>   ;; Highlight the headers
>>   gnus-treat-highlight-headers 'head
>>   ;; Highlight cited text
>> ;  gnus-treat-highlight-citation 'last
>>   ;; Highlight the signature
>>   gnus-treat-highlight-signature 'last
>>   ;; Display the Date in UT (GMT)
>>   gnus-treat-date-ut nil
>>   ;; Display the Date in the local timezone
>>   gnus-treat-date-local nil
>>   ;; Display the date in the original timezone
>>   gnus-treat-date-original nil
>>   ;; Strip trailing blank lines
>>   gnus-treat-strip-trailing-blank-lines 'last
>>  ;; Strip leading blank lines
>>   gnus-treat-strip-leading-blank-lines 'last
>>   ;; Strip multiple blank lines
>>   gnus-treat-strip-multiple-blank-lines 'last
>>   ;; Strip all blank lines
>>   ;; gnus-treat-strip-blank-lines nil
>>   ;; Treat overstrike highlighting
>>   gnus-treat-overstrike 'last
>>   )
>>  ;;* show the text/plain part before the text/html part in 
>> multpart/alternative
>>  (require 'mm-decode)
>>  ;;;-- no way do compile with this
>> ; ;;;--(push "text/plain" mm-alternative-precedence)
>>  ;;;--(setq mm-alternative-precedence "text/plain")
>>  (message "gnus.el: MIME initialized")
>>
>> 2. I had pretty nothing to do to configure Mailcrypt correctly (it was 
>> really a
>> straightforward installation). Thus, I am having various parts of my
>> Gnus being mixed with Mailcrypt (Mailcrypt is integrated in it): when
>> sending an e-mail, or to a newsgroup, it asks me to sign. I am obliged
>> to sign. For example, I have to type C-c y (my private key).
>>
>> I am going to try to use epa, but I do not want it to messes with my
>> settings.
>
> I really would recommend losing all your settings and just start with
> epa. Since its all fairly new it would not be such a loss and then you
> can bring them back in one at a time if you feel them necessary. Some of
> them look rather confused anyway (although I might well be mistaken)
> .. e.g I didnt see stuff like this really before:
>
>>   ;; Display the Date in UT (GMT)
>>   gnus-treat-date-ut nil
>>   ;; Display the Date in the local timezone
>>   gnus-treat-date-local nil
>>   ;; Display the date in the original timezone
>>   gnus-treat-date-original nil
>
> Why all 3 to nil? What are the defaults? Here they are nil.
They are all to nil (thus, default setting) to allow me modify it
easily, as I do not know every variable's name.
>
>>
>>> I'm confused as to why you seem so reluctant to use
>>> epa as suggested by 2 or 3 different people.
>> Sorry if that is what my attitude looks like. That is not what I want
>> to do: if epa is better (and it seems so, as suggested by 2 or three
>
> It's not that its better. Its that its what you should be using. (And
> its probably better :-;).
>
> http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/address@hidden/11857016.html
This URL does not work here. :-(
>
> ,----
> | Here is what I learned during the past few days:
> | 
> | - pgg and mailcrypt are obsolete. One should use EasyPG now.
> | - EasyPG ships with current Emacs versions like for example 23.0.91.1,
> |    the one I use
> | - one can switch among his key IDs signing and/or en/decryption if
> |    needed (lines 9 to 18) below
> `----
>
> The Wiki entry
>
> http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EasyPG
>
> Could probably do with a mention of it replacing mailcrypt et al.
>
> I had similar issues a couple of years ago and it certainly is not clear
> what should be used at times. Go with epa and see how you get on.
>
> Good luck!
Thanks. Need a lot.

- -- 
Merciadri Luca
See http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/
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