[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]
Re: [GNU/consensus] [whistle] I.0 Looking Through The Prism
From: |
Guido Witmond |
Subject: |
Re: [GNU/consensus] [whistle] I.0 Looking Through The Prism |
Date: |
Fri, 26 Jul 2013 17:15:53 +0200 |
User-agent: |
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.12) Gecko/20130116 Icedove/10.0.12 |
On 26-07-13 16:15, hellekin wrote:
> On 07/26/2013 05:10 AM, Mikael "MMN-o" Nordfeldth wrote:
>> First of all, I have to say I very much enjoyed this
>> resume-kind-of-post. Kudos for doing it!
>
> *** Thank you Mikael! That's an encouraging feedforth! I wholly
> agree with all you wrote.
>
>
>> Personally I can't see why people didn't just start federating away
>> from identi.ca long ago. Using a federated software without
>> actually using federation only results in centralisation.
>
> *** The same thing happened with N-1.cc, where the population grew and
> the support not, making it unsustainable if it wouldn't be for crazy
> people who still prefer cooperating. When the migration from 1.7 to
> 1.8 happened, the disruption was terrible. We're still in turmoil,
> although the "population" kept growing, but support didn't start
> matching the basic costs.
>
> I don't have an answer on the "why such things happen", but I can
> relate it to the past couple of decades of propaganda selling
> everything "for free" (gratis), at the expense of plundering the
> resources of the Earth, slave labor, and social dumping. (more
> specifically driving the smaller competition out of the game by the
> use of massive economies of scale, slave labor, and systematic buy
> outs, hereby reinforcing the phagocyte behavior).
You should read Binding Chaos by Heather Marsh.... Plenty of answers
there. http://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2013/05/24/binding-chaos/
> The Internet suffered this trend as much as the rest of society,
> leading consumers to believe it comes "for free" as infrastructure. I
> wish it were infrastructure as part of public funding, with net
> neutrality built in. But the colonization of the minds around the
> idea that profit leads to growth and growth leads to happiness is
> terribly ignorant of the complexity of the ecosystem's cycles.
I wrote about it on the libtech list in:
https://mailman.stanford.edu/pipermail/liberationtech/2013-July/010335.html
It was about the high price of centralised server systems compared to
geographical caching.
Regards, Guido.
Re: [GNU/consensus] [whistle] I.0 Looking Through The Prism, Francesco, 2013/07/27