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Re: [Denemo-devel] Sibelius 7 to LilyPond Conversion!

From: Richard Shann
Subject: Re: [Denemo-devel] Sibelius 7 to LilyPond Conversion!
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:06:52 +0000

On Fri, 2015-10-30 at 00:31 -0300, Thomas Wilmot wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Richard Shann
> > > > Did you try the scripts to fix Sibelius's output? Do you need
> > > > help running them? Did you try File->Export As->Quick 
> > > > LilyPond Part to get just the music of the current part 
> > into a file?
> I have been scratching my head regarding this feature since I first saw it.
> I tried exporting the full score from Sibelius, then importing it into Denemo 
> and trying the "Quick LilyPond Part" option.  I thought it might try to 
> export just whichever part was selected, but it exported the entire thing as 
> it normally would.  I still don't understand what it's supposed to do.  It's 
> great to have so many tooltips, but the program would be a lot easier to 
> learn if they were more explicit.  Also there are random windows popping up 
> when I do certain things like selecting a measure.

I tested out
Quick LilyPond Part
before writing the email, it saves the staff that the cursor is in using
the current filename myfile.denemo to construct a filename where n is the staff number. 

If you have not saved the file you are trying to save parts from I see
it fails silently. Well, it is not actually silent, there is a message
in the console which you won't see on Windows unless you run C:\Program
Files\Denemo\usr\bin\denemo-console.exe rather than the usual
So this is a bug in the script which I didn't know about. I've just
added a bug to the bug tracker for this. 
(Anyone can do this without registering for anything:
is linked to from

> > > 
> > > Yes the scripts to fix Sibelius's output would likely be 
> > useful as I'm
> > > pretty sure every single error fixed by it is in my score!  
> >  I haven't tried
> > > them as I do need help running them.  I've been using Frescobaldi 
> > > since last month but only installed Denemo yesterday so 
> > have no idea 
> > > about scripting!
> > 
> > Well in brief, you open the window View->Scheme past the 
> > script in and click the Execute button.
> > 
> So I tried this.  I got the window open, and wasn't sure which text field to 
> paste the code in, so I tried both.
The first is a Command Line Interface, when you press Enter the
expression it contains is evaluated and printed on the Console.
The second one is a proper multi-line editor and you execute the code in
it with the Execute button.

>   There was no indication that anything was happening.
Yes, those little scripts don't say anything you can add

(d-InfoDialog "Finished")

at the bottom to let yourself know that it has got through to the end of
the script. Those scripts all just start at the cursor and go through
the objects from there on so you need to place the cursor at the start
of the staff (Home key does that).

>   I also wasn't sure whether or not the <8>s were supposed to be part of the 
> code or not

those 8>< 8>< 8>< 8>< 8>< 8>< 8>< 8>< 8>< 8>< 8>< 8>< 8>< 8>< 
are supposed to be scissors showing which bit to snip out. This is
actually a rather dodgy way of passing bits of code around, as email
readers can easily mess up code by adding white space. Mostly white
space is ok in Scheme though. Any way I've attached them here.
If you run the denemoconsole.exe version you will see any error messages
if the script is garbled.

>  so I tried running it with and without them and still it didn't seem like 
> anything happened.  I tried re-setting the score by clicking a button in the 
> Print window and it didn't look any different.  The most noticeable thing is 
> that there are a bunch of empty measures, some of them with rests in them, 
> some of them not.  This is a multi-measure rest in the original score and not 
> at all big deal to clean up by hand but I thought the script might fix it.
> > 
> I saw a setting for "default font specification" which had a text field with 
> "Denemo 9" written in it.

Ah, you *are* running some old version of Denemo then. This is better
now in 2.0.0. You can try 2.0.0 without installing it (see website).

> Is that how you change the font?  I typed a different font name in the field 
> but it is strange it wouldn't have a list to choose from.
> My problem is not with the font the music itself is set in in the main 
> windowpane. My big problem is with the font displaying the rest of the 
> interface such as the menus and tooltips.

yes, it is the menu/tooltip font that is specialized so that a tooltip
can say "Change to 𝅗𝅥 from 𝅘𝅥 " and you can read it easily without having
to have a very large font size (which causes its own problems because
the menu sizes get to long for peoples screens).

>   I expect it to be MS Sans Serif in every single program everywhere, since 
> that is what I have it set to!
> To be fair, sometimes even Microsoft's programs override this user system 
> preference (which is awful) but they always replace it with something while 
> still inferior, still hinted and NEVER anti-aliased!
> This is a HUGE deal for me when using any program or Web site.  Microsoft 
> released a number of Web fonts for everyone, well hinted at all small sizes 
> which became a standard since they were free for everyone, and now so many 
> sites are using these plug-in Google fonts, some of which are pretty darn 
> good (like the one YouTube is using everywhere now), and others of which look 
> horrifically blurry!
> The one on the Denemo site is one of the better ones, except for the 
> two-story lower-case italic g, which looks ridiculous!
> That is a small offense however!

I've not understood anything much about aliasing and hinting, I have a
suspicion that the denemo.ttf is not really properly constructed, I just
spliced together some bits of fonts with some glyphs to be able to write
e.g. "quarter note" or "crotchet" in an internationally understood way
as 𝅘𝅥 and still be read.

> > >  or respect
> [...]
> The entire toolbar just for the "Create Snippet" button is certainly a waste 
> of space however.

That is a misunderstanding of the Snippets toolbar, that toolbar will
become full if you use it, otherwise you would hide it.

> Thank you for the assistance!

you are most welcome - this has yielded one solid bug and increased my
understanding that there are issues (at least on windows) around font


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