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Re: transposition tizzy

From: Richard Shann
Subject: Re: transposition tizzy
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 17:22:14 +0100

On Sun, 2020-08-30 at 11:47 -0400, aaron mehl wrote:
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> On Aug 30 2020, at 10:33 am, Richard Shann <>
> wrote:
> On Sun, 2020-08-30 at 08:16 -0400, aaron mehl wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > Thanks for all your help,
> > I have a melody in a minor and I want to move it to d dorian  and
> > have denemo transpose the notes for me, but I can't seem to get
> > denemo's transposition to work for me.
> > I tried changing key but didn't see dorian as an option and I tried
> > to change it from c major to a minor but  it gave me no option to
> > transpose the pitches.
> > In the transpose dialog box I made the inititial note name a and
> the
> > transposed note name d but nothing happened.
> You need to read Section 27.1 of the manual (Help->Browse Manual)
> you mean 24.1 right

Presumably you have an old version of Denemo - I looked up
"Transposition" in the index of the manual and it took me to 27.1

> btw it doen't mention that if you want to transpose a section select
> it.

yes, many commands have that as a feature (e.g. staccato I think)...

>  I clicked the check box and I thought theat should be good enough.
> maybe the transpose note works if I make a selection?
> I did but since it didn't give a step by step procedure I didn't get
> it. Also an example would also have been helpful.
> I
> > Whein I went to the note transposition it only transposed one note,
> > which is slower then me just changing each note manually.
> If you make a selection it will transpose all the notes in the
> selection. But think first: do I really want to change the input
> notes
> or just the output typesetting? They are two completely different
> things in different menus.
> I did a save as and created a new file called d dorian so yes I
> wanted to change the actual pitches.

That sounds like a nightmare in the making - if you find a mistake in
one file you have to correct it in both. Why not just transpose on
typesetting? You can even make the transposition conditional on an
omission criterion, so that it is omitted if you want to print without
transposition but included if you want to print with transposition -
then you can choose which way to print from the Print View itself,
using the Omission Criterion button to select which.

> e.g
> Command: Arbitrary transpose down
> Transpose/shift the cursor note or selection an arbitrary number of
> tones down. User can specify interval through a dialog.
> Location: Object Menu ▶ _Notes/Rests ▶ Transpose Music
> Internal Name: ShiftRealDialogDown
> I am assuming this also works on a selection.


> is actually changing the notes you wrote in the first place while
> Command: Transpose on Print (Graphical Interface)
> Gets an interval from the user: the entire score is transposed by
> this
> interval on typesetting - key signatures are transposed as well as
> notes and chord symbols.
> Location: Object Menu ▶ _Score ▶ Typesetter
> Internal Name: TransposeOnPrint
> is changing the key that the piece will be typeset in.
> But still I don't see Dorian or phrygian  at all in denemo but it
> exists in lillypond

It is just a variation on the syntax with no effect on the typesetting,
so I think it has been dropped from the Denemo interface - you could
still emit that syntax if you wanted to.


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