Re: Kickstarter was not successful... but it did help things...

[Riccardo Mottola]

Hi,


On 11/23/13 20:02, Gregory Casamento wrote:
> Understood and entirely anticipated. :)
I wrote it just because :) My first sentiment would be to be silent and 
actually work on themes or fix bugs!
> Not having a fallback in gui might be a problem since not all themes need to 
> draw all widgets.  What I propose is having GNUstep load whatever theme is 
> deemed “Default” in the themes directory and, if that’s not present, fall back 
> to the current GNUstep look.
You would still install the next-style theme by default to always have 
the fall back. For specialized applications or packagings you may want 
to be able to do better or optimize
> Part of the reason why we “do little” is because there is such vociferous 
> defense of many things by people who are uncomfortable with change.
Some of these people you accuse actually do work on themes, but are not 
supported. Others perhaps just complain, others watch.
> > > Whatever you intend, as long as you talk about changing the default theme, 
> > > people will read that as replacing/getting-rid-of the current look (rather than 
> > > supporting equal alternatives).  While I know that's not what you mean, it's 
> > > counterproductive as it will always produce opposition from anyone who likes 
> > > the current theme, and even from people who might like a new theme better!  IMO 
> > > you should simply provide/advertise at least one good new look rather than 
> > > 'threatening' a change.
> > Very sensible. The first thing to do is to offer a valid alternative. Actually, not one, 
> > just more. As people have different "goals" for GNUstep, so they have different 
> > needs in their themes.
> Indeed.
This is an important point.
> > Once you have several themes, well maintained, working and advertised in 
> > special pages on gnustep.org, gap or etoile, then you will see that this 
> > discussion is actually moot.
> Don’t declare a discussion moot until it’s actually been had.  I often find 
> it’s people who declare such things that are afraid of the discussion itself.
Reread my statement. I am saying that when what Richard and I propose 
will be done, the discussion will be of less importance: the choice and 
freedom will be there, users will have the choice and the only choice to 
do is how to deliver the wanted default, which can be even trivially 
done by a distribution when installing the package, by an automatic 
system inside gnustep that activates themes with a certain priority if 
they are available or other means.

I of course also imply that curenntly, without the above mentioned, the 
discussion is uninteresting.

This is quite different of what you are accusing me.

Riccardo