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Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp

From: David Kastrup
Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 08:04:18 +0100
User-agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux)

John Yates <address@hidden> writes:

>> Even when that has been done, one still has to do an actual
>> implementation and _then_ have to see whether under the constraints
>> of the current implementation the hoped-for advantages are actually
>> as envisioned, and the accepted drawbacks don't turn out larger than
>> expected.  And there is not much of an option to turn back the clock,
>> either.
> Do I understand you correctly here?  Did you just conceded my original
> point, namely that while RMS does not want us to dissipate the pent up
> demand that could drive gcc into the tool space, that transformation
> most likely will never happen?

It feels like talking to a wall with you guys.  I am not even mentioning
Richard here.  I am explaining the situation one needs to take into
account.  If you refuse thinking about the situation, you won't ever
reach an agreement.

> IOW emacs-based C++ developers are denied valuable tools that are
> becoming ever more common in other development environments based on a
> chimera.

Stomping your feet and pouting is all very nice but I suggest that you
bother with actually putting yourself in the shoes of Richard with
regard to the conflicting goals he is trying to manage.  Without
bothering to see his side, you will have a hard time changing his views
and what results they lead to.  In particular, since you're one of those
who is going to oversee the technical execution.  If you don't appear to
understand what this is even about, whether or not you share the exact
priorities, you'll not be able to stay on a path that is going to be
quite trickier than a plain "we won't go there".

David Kastrup

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