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Re: Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole

From: Marcin Borkowski
Subject: Re: Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 20:13:37 +0200
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On 2016-07-03, at 02:05, Richard Stallman <address@hidden> wrote:

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>   > Org is a complex package which cannot be appreciated
>   > by just giving it a quick glance.
> That is the problem that concerns me.
> I am sure Org is very useful.  I know that because many people say
> they like using it.  However, bundling together several conceptually
> separate features makes it harder to start using any of them, and also
> makes Emacs overall less clean.
> If these various functionalities were carefully separated out, they
> could still work together, and in combination they could be just as
> useful as they are now.  And each one, separately, would be more
> useful than it is now.

I'll try to stop, but for the last time: they are not "bundled" from the
user's POV!!!  You really don't have to learn a lot to start being
productive with Org.  This is one of its main strengths.

OTOH, the design of Org is a different thing: there are quite a few huge
functions, and it happens sometimes that I need something for my
customizations, and I have to copy a half of some function, because
I can't easily hook into it.  The same can be said about AUCTeX (I know
because it happened to me, too), and probably a bunch of other packages,
including Emacs core itself.  (See e.g. the code of `mark-defun', which
is one big hack around buggy `beginning-of-defun'.)  So I agree that Org
could be made better.  Almost nobody actually wants to do it, I'm
afraid...  Adding new features (and even fixing bugs) is just more


Marcin Borkowski
Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science
Adam Mickiewicz University

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