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Re: Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole

From: Richard Stallman
Subject: Re: Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:22:42 -0400

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  > That was my point!  (Or one of my points.)  That Org is built on top of
  > Emacs, it's not a "separate editor".

I agree, it is not a "separate editor".  I don't think I said it was.
What I say is that it is a bundle of various features that ought to be
separate (and be able to work together).

  > > This feature seems to make sense, but I don't see that it does something
  > > useful for me.

I never said Org mode was not useful (for other people).  That is not
the question.  You are defending something that I never attacked.

When I said

  > This feature seems to make sense, but I don't see that it does something
  > useful for me.

I said it in the context of a particular argument.  You said

  > >   > By typing one or more asterisks followed by space at the beginning of
  > >   > a line, you start a heading (like in vanilla Emacs' Outline mode).
  > >   > By pressing TAB when point is on a headline, you cycle through various
  > >   > possible visibility states.

and I responded that this is not useful for me.

This seems to be the basic feature of Org mode.  When I read about how
to use Org mode, I saw something that I didn't want to use.

At that point, I gave up reading about it.  If there are other
features in Org mode, which I might find useful, I didn't get that far.

  > I do not understand this.  I had similar reservations at the beginning,
  > but then I actually tried and I found Org _very_ easy to learn.

Apparently you _wanted_ to learn Org mode.  Perhaps you saw that it
did something that seemed useful to you.

That didn't happen for me.  The documentation for Org mode presented a
lot of things that I didn't even want to read about, let alone try to
learn.  So I gave up on it.

                                                                     One of
  > the guiding principles of Org is that you don't have to learn anything
  > you don't want to use (apart from the very basics, like the tree
  > structure of an Org file).

That may be true, but it doesn't address this issue.

Dr Richard Stallman
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