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Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs

From: Jean-Christophe Helary
Subject: Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs
Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 17:20:17 +0900

> On May 3, 2020, at 17:10, Philippe Vaucher <address@hidden> wrote:
> >>> I think you need boths. Do you think the Ruby documentation I linked is 
> >>> bad?
> >> It's worse than the ELisp manual, yes.
> > In terms of visual contrast/cues, it is not.
> >>> For quite a lot of people, this page 
> >>> http://ergoemacs.org/emacs/elisp_string_functions.html is much simpler to 
> >>> use & learn from than this page 
> >>> https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Strings-and-Characters.html
> >>> It does not mean that the later page is bad, it is actually more 
> >>> complete, better documented, already grouped in topics... and yet, a lot 
> >>> of people prefer the first page... straight to the point, simple examples.
> > • I can read the page in a reasonable amount of time,
> > • I can figure out what functions do and how to use them
> > • I can quickly imagine new ways of doing things
> > • and I can refer to the manual when I want deeper knowledge
> > As mentioned above, I think the ergoemacs pages work well because of the 
> > way they use visual cues. We don't have many visual cues in the manual. 
> > That makes the manual uselessly more difficult to read.
> Thanks for explaining my example. I find it very interesting/surprising that 
> many people here do not think that way.

I'm not sure about that.

It is natural to question propositions especially when such propositions do not 
relate directly to programming but to ergonomic/cognitive issues, which are 
highly (personal/social/historical/technological) context dependent.

> Our position is probably due to exposure to many different 
> workflows/languages, but I'm guessing here.

Not so much in my case, but I would certainly remove the "many" in your 
sentence because it does read a bit condescending :)

Jean-Christophe Helary
http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune

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