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Re: "modern" colors Re: Changes for emacs 28

From: Ergus
Subject: Re: "modern" colors Re: Changes for emacs 28
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 15:42:25 +0200

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 09:15:40AM -0400, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
  >   >   Actually spacemacs made it to look a bit more modern by just changing
  >   >   some colors.
  >   >
  >   >What kind of changes to colors was that?  It would be good to quantify
  >   >what "modern" means.
  >   In general this is very subjective. But looking at WinXP vs Win10 one
  >   gets more or less where the style feeling is moving to. Specially the
  >   colors and the default fonts in the interfaces make a big difference;
  >   but also the whole integration.
  >Could you list those changes?

  1) The "included" themes (not only the default one) are a bit more
  "attractive" and similar to the ones in VSCode, Sublime or Android


That lists several hundreds of themes.  Can you summarize _what_
changes where done to make Emacs look more modern?  A list of maybe
3-5 things would give a good idea.  For example, one concrete change
is to replace a warning face that is bright yellow with a dark yellow.

If you change a single face it doesn't improve anything. The whole thing
is the important. The overall result after all the changes. A light
toolbar looks worst with a dark background as well; big icons looks
terrible with small fonts.

  2) In the windows side they just made the whole colors a bit more
  "coherent" with the internal themes,

What does that mean? What changes did they (who is they?) do exactly?

If you change the background but not the borders, the icons the
font-lock faces, modeline and so on; a single change conflicts with the
others. I am not designer to quantify that with designer words.

  2.1) the menu-bar is usually more "compact" with a smaller and bold font
  (OR hided OR enabled xterm-mouse-mode because otherwise the toolbar is
  pretty much useless as F10 is intercepted by most of the terminal
  emulators or desktop environments).

  2.2) In the case where they keep the tool-bar the icons are smaller and
  more "attractive". Lets say sometimes independent of the theme, but in
  general smaller.

How are the more attractive?  The list you provided doesn't show a
single tool-bar.

  3) Finally they fully redesigned the mode-line. I don't like all the
  changes they did because they require many extra external packages that
  increase too much the loading time and I prefer to load my emacs in less
  than 1 sec. But form the aestetic point of view it is an important

In what way have the "fully redesigned the mode-line"? The link you
provided has no mode-lines.

https://www.spacemacs.org/ (there are pictures)

Please be specific, give examples -- "it is more attractive" without
explicilty saying what "it" is makes for a long discussion.

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