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Re: [wip-cite-new] Adjust punctuation around citations

From: Bruce D'Arcus
Subject: Re: [wip-cite-new] Adjust punctuation around citations
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 17:41:02 -0400

I'm not able to test this closely ATM, but a few things ...

On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 5:39 AM Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> wrote:
> Hello,
> Denis Maier <denismaier@mailbox.org> writes:
> > Yes, good this is coming.
> As a step forward, I rebased wip-cite-new branch with more support for
> note numbers handling.
> I added three customizable variables:
> - org-cite-adjust-note-numbers, which simply allows the user to toggle
>   punctuation and note number moving (on by default).
> - org-cite-note-rules, which defines what rules to apply according to
>   locale, expressed as a language tag, as in RFC 4646.
> - org-cite-punctuation-marks, which lists strings recognized as
>   punctuation in the process.
> `csl' and `basic' processors now both make use of this.
> I'd appreciate some feedback, in particular about the docstrings of the
> variables above. I focused on the "note numbers" topic instead of
> "punctuation" since I found the latter too generic.
> Also, there are some points that may need to be discussed:
> - I'm not sure about the `org-cite-punctuation-marks' variable being
>   global, i.e., not locale-specific.

One of the things I've wondered about, but cannot offer any expertise
on (really, I have no clue), is how this might work for languages like
Arabic or Mandarin.

> - There is no support for this in LaTeX-derived back-ends, because
>   I don't know when a citation is going to become a footnote. As
>   a reminder, there is no "\footcite" command in `biblatex' processor.
>   OTOH, users might prefer using a more advanced mechanism, e.g.,
>   csquotes.

So the upshot is if users want this functionality for LaTeX/PDF, they
should use oc-biblatex for that export target?

> - It doesn't do anything special in quote blocks, because I'm still not
>   sure there is something to do. AFAIU, special casing there only
>   applies to author-date location, which out of the scope of this code.

Here's the scenario I believe Denis was concerned about:

... block with citation at end. [cite:@doe]

I think in standard author-year styles, we'd want:

... block with citation at end. (Doe, 2020)

... while in note-based and "US" (space removed):

... block with citation at end.[1]

Not sure if that has any practical import, but just to clarify.


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