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Re: ‘censorship’


From: Quiliro Ordóñez
Subject: Re: ‘censorship’
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 21:28:49 -0700

El 2019-10-10 21:05, Adam Van Ymeren escribió:
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 4:48 PM Dmitry Alexandrov <[1]address@hidden>
>    wrote:
> 
>      David <[2]address@hidden> wrote:
>      > Calling such actions "censorship" is a very extreme reaction IMHO
>      as the very same core points could have been made in a less
>      excitable manner without potential breaching of the above linked
>      guidelines and thus without triggering any negative actions.
>      That’s curious.  Could you elaborate, please, why censoring due to
>      form rather than due to substance is not censorship?  No dictionary
>      available to me suggest it.
> 
>    There is a difference between censorship and moderation.  If you want a
>    dictionary definition:
>    Censor (verb) - to examine in order to suppress or delete anything
>    considered objectionable
>    [3]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censor
>    Moderate (verb) - avoiding extremes of behavior or expression :
>    observing reasonable limit
>    [4]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/moderate
>    Nobody can define with absolute clarity where the distinction is.
>    Sometimes the situation is obvious, other times it is more nuanced.  I
>    don't envy the role of a moderator on an internet mailing list but I am
>    happy that they exist.  If libreplanet-discuss were completely
>    un-moderated and open to any and all trolls to spew whatever
>    inflammatory nonsense they wish, then it would very quickly cease to be
>    a useful place of discussion and I personally would unsubscribe.
>    It is not censorship for moderators of libreplanet-discuss to decide
>    not to forward your message to everyone who has joined the list.
>    Almost every online community needs some level of moderation.  You are
>    always welcome to write and publish your opinions through you own
>    platform, which thanks to technology and libre software is easier today
>    than it has ever been in human history.

Who is it to be the censor? The majority? The moderator? Why would a
majority or a moderator be correct and the censored incorrect?

I think that trolls are persons that are called that way by the people
that do not want them to speak because they feel the sensation of
control loss.

If someone leaves a list because someone else thinks differently, that
person must reinforce their own self esteem by recognizing that other
peolpe's views (even if incorrect) are acceptable as their own, and not
by blocking their expression.

If you want a kind environment, you make it so, not other people.
Controlling other people does not make a better or safe environment. It
makes an oppressive environment which is in practice very unsafe.



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