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Re: Matrix communication protocol.

From: Msavoritias
Subject: Re: Matrix communication protocol.
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2020 23:03:44 +0200

   My only issues is not the two that you mention. We have also:
   1. No coherent Standard so everybody can have the same features.
   2. Not a lot of Clients.
   3. Not a lot of Clients that look decent.
   4. No communities.
   5. No threading.
   6. No Voice rooms like Discord.
   These are just some of the problems that I have. As I explained above
   Matrix is for groups mostly. And it is much more welcoming to newcomers
   than IRC or XMPP. or even Mailing lists for that matter.
   Well FSF has Wire as a high priority project. WHich is a straight for
   Profit Company unlike Matrix.
   Also I didn't know FSF was against companies. Their latest article is
   that being FLOSS doesn't mean no Companies.
   But you can already get involved in Matrix and developing the Spec.
   Isn't that what you mean?
   Well the IRC that we currently using has not encryption. So what
   exactly are comparing here?

   On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:43, Adonay Felipe Nogueira via
   libreplanet-discuss <> wrote:

   Em 31/07/2020 16:20, Adrien Bourmault (neox on freenode) escreveu:

     Matrix is a badly designed protocol (especially the s2s part) and is

   Interesting, I wonder if there are references to that.

     The XSF point of view is different from the Matrix/Vector one : the
     XSF is a non profit foundation, in the tracks of IETF. They made a
     protocol in the hope that it will be useful and that's it. You can't
     say the same for Vector.

   Good point. On a not so similar subject, this seems to align with the
   arguments presented by Software Freedom Conservancy (SFConservancy) in
   regards to copyleft enforcement (almost all of their talks, including
   the recorded ones, present this "who best enforces copyleft?" paradigm,
   and all results in either individual copyright holders or these signing
   their contributions to one of FSF-and-sisters, SFConservancy or
   Software Freedom Law Center, and avoiding non-disclosure agreements,
   trade secrets and contributor license agreements).

     of both Conversations and ChatSecure are always in touch, and are
     XSF members. There are many forks of both, and it provides

   Indeed, in open standards, people and projects being members of the
   standards committees/workgroups is a very important thing, specially if
   many are in favor of free/libre software or if the group itself has
   that commitment or is a non-profit, preferably a charity.

     On mobile, there is only one functionnal Matrix client : Element.
     And it advocates for non free software, especially Google one.

   The references in my previous replies to this topic also agree with
   you. :)

     Have you ever read RMS ? Or listen to him ? Everyone should care
     about privacy, everyone should encrypt his communications. XMPP's
     modern encryption (known as OMEMO) is way more secure than
     Olm/Megolm (because it seems Vector thought that forward secrecy was
     an anti-feature lol).

   That is scary indeed.

     beautiful. Free software is about freedom, not popularity

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