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Re: Python 3 support

From: David Kastrup
Subject: Re: Python 3 support
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 17:44:20 +0100
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Julien Rioux <address@hidden> writes:

> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 10:39 AM, David Kastrup <address@hidden> wrote:
>> Julien Rioux <address@hidden> writes:
>> > The current hosting situation isn't bad that we need to take such
>> > important actions with savannah. With github, we already have hosting,
>> > a platform for contribution and review comments, and relatively strong
>> > visibility, at no effort from us.
>> Who is "we"?  I for one am not going to agree to GitHub's quite invasive
>> usage conditions for their "free" offerings which include killing a
>> project for any reason they want to at any point of time, explicitly
>> citing bandwidth usage as one such reason.
> You're right, for contributing a patch and/or commenting through github,
> it's "we" as in "those that are bold enough to sign up on github". "We"
> also happily send patches or comments on the mailing list as usual; "we" as
> in "those that are bold enough to post on public mailing lists". It's still
> an added value that a non-empty set of people are happy with.
>> Now the situation is in theory not all that different with Savannah.
>> Except that Savannah does not serve stockholders but its users and Free
>> Software.  When they find that there is a technical problem in
>> connection with serving a project, "pull the plug" will be way lower in
>> the list of remedies than with GitHub.
> Fortunately with git repos even if the hosting goes, the project's source
> code is still in hand,

That's not quite the same as "we already have hosting, a platform for
contribution and review comments".  Everything beyond the content in
private repositories is gone if a project is removed.  And "we have" is
a bit of a euphemism for proprietary software run on a proprietary
service with a proprietary data store for everything but the central
repository itself.  It's more like "we are permitted to use".

Of course, with Savannah we have the same situation regarding the "we
are permitted to use" angle, but the motivations for the permission are
different.  That makes me feel more at home.

David Kastrup

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