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Re: \time 9/8 (3/4)
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Hans Åberg |
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Re: \time 9/8 (3/4) |
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Fri, 29 Jul 2022 14:30:05 +0200 |
> On 29 Jul 2022, at 13:30, Kieren MacMillan <kieren@kierenmacmillan.info>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Carl,
>
>> Just curious, because I know precious little about polymetry.
>> Does 9/8 (3/4) mean anything different from (3 + 3 + 3)/8 ?
>
> Yes: the parenthetical notation is usually an instruction to alternate time
> signatures, not simply a clarification of intention. For example, in “West
> Side Story”, Bernstein uses 6/8 (3/4) to indicate that alternate bars should
> be felt/conducted as 6/8 then 3/4 then 6/8 then 3/4…
Hindemith, "Training…", indicates that 6/8 is always bipartite, so the 3/4 is a
metric shift in this music piece.
> Hope that helps!
> Kieren.
>
> p.s.
>
>> To my novice eye, both mean that it's 9/8 with three primary beats per
>> measure. Also to my novice eye, it seems that 9/8 can/t have a 3/4
>> alternate time signature; perhaps a (3/4.) , but not a (3/4).
>
> Perhaps the intention is to save the notational ink of changing between
> triple and duple feel? So there continue to be three primary beats per
> measure, but alternating between “triplets“ and “straight eighths” without
> having to add tuplet numbers?
By contrast, 9/8 is tripartite, just as 3/4, so I do not see any obvious
difference here.
These metric refers to CPP (common practise period) music. In Bulgarian music,
I found an example of 6/8, 6 = 2+2+2 contrasted against a 7/8, perhaps a 3+2+2.
In Irish music, jigs are written in 6/8 and slip jigs in 9/8. The Bulgarian
pravo horo, called zonaradikos in Greece, has a similar triple rhythms as 6/8,
but is invariably written in 2/4 in Bulgaria, perhaps because performances have
something similar to notes inégales (swinged notes, as in jazz) on the dotted
notes.
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