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Re[2]: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard


From: Manuel Guesdon
Subject: Re[2]: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:15:27 +0100

On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:42:56 +0000 David Chisnall <address@hidden> wrote:
DC >| I'm a bit late replying to this, but is GNUstepWeb still alive?  I've  
DC >| tried to use it a few times, including just now and found:
DC >| 
DC >| - There is no tutorial at all.  The documentation (and I use the term  
DC >| in the loosest possible sense) says 'read the Apple WO4.5 docs.'   
DC >| Unfortunately, these all talk about using WebObject Builder, a GUI  
DC >| tool that doesn't appear to have a GSWeb analogue (maybe there is one,  
DC >| but nothing I could find told me about it) and so are completely  
DC >| useless.

You're partially right: WO docs are usefull to understand concepts 
but GNUstepWeb is barebone frameworks without WO Builder.
If you have WO 4.5, you can start playing with WO Builder to begin and 
next use GNUstepWeb.

DC >| - The example code is confusing at best.  It does weird things like  
DC >| implement classes which contain nothing but methods which do nothing  
DC >| except call the superclass implementation.  Presumably this is done  
DC >| for a reason, but I have no idea what it could possibly be.

You have 2 examples in GNUstepWeb tree:
Examples/hello/
Testing/DynamicElements/
Examples/WebBookStore1


DC >| - The web page hasn't been updated in some years.  Checking again now,  
DC >| it appears that the site now redirects to an almost content-free page  
DC >| on the GNUstep Wiki.

Yes, David Wetzel submitted me the idea to make gnustepweb.org redirecting to 
it because there was near no content on gnustepweb.org.
http://www.gnustepweb.org can be restored and author rights given to anyone 
which like to add rticles, documentations,...



DC >| The documentation for Seaside is pretty lacking, but I could make a  
DC >| simple web app using it quite quickly and then play at extending it.   
DC >| With GNUstepWeb I simply have no idea where to begin.  Seaside also  
DC >| has some really nice integration with Scriptaculous, which makes it  
DC >| easy to produce shiny-looking web apps.  Is there any equivalent for  
DC >| GSWeb?  I would love to be able to recycle model objects written for  
DC >| GNUstep and just bold on a new GUI to turn a desktop app into a web  
DC >| app, and this could be a killer app for GNUstep, but after reading  
DC >| what passes for documentation with GNUstepWeb I still have no idea if  
DC >| this is possible.

I don't know seaside :-)
On GNUstepWeb, until someone make some docs, the easiest way is 
probably to play with WO Builder 4.x and next to play with gsweb 
examples. 
Anyway, I think the learning time for gsweb+gdl2 is greater than the one 
for starting with php/mysql. But, IMHO, audience and  target projects are 
not the same.

Manuel 





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