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Re: [Bug-gnubg] Export positions to GammOnLine format

From: Ned Cross
Subject: Re: [Bug-gnubg] Export positions to GammOnLine format
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 05:22:08 -0700

Yes! Definitely include the analysis as well. That's an important reason for
exporting from GNU to the GoL forum (and others).  Having said that...It
would be nice to have the option of board only, or board and analysis, since
many of the BBS postings occur in "quiz" fashion:

1) Position is posted with a question: "Blue on roll, cube action?".. or
"Blue to play 6-6"
2) Opinions are posted in response to the position
3) Reply is posted with GNU evals/rollouts to compare with the human
4) World peace is negotiated, and world hunger is solved.

A possibly related issue would be to have dual settings for the file path to
export html images.

For stand-alone posting you need the filepath to GNUBG's html images
(Red/Black) and for BBS posting you need the proper BBS filepath to the
Blue/White images.  It would be nice to keep both filepaths in memory and be
able to menu-select "export html to stand-alone", or "export position to
BBS".  Right now I have to remember the different filepaths, go in and
change settings, before I can switch from one type of export to the other.

Maybe that's what you are talking about already with the "board paste"
feature you are planning.

I tend to use the html export to send a position or an analyzed match to
someone via email, and the "export to stand-alone" works great for that.
The html files zip up to no bigger than text files, and are so much easier
to read.  Of course this is a temporary situation, since one day soon
everyone will have GNUBG so we can just send the .sgf or .pos file and they
can view the results interactively ;-)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Joern Thyssen" <address@hidden>
To: "Ian Shaw" <address@hidden>
Cc: "GNU Backgammon Bugs" <address@hidden>
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 3:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Bug-gnubg] Export positions to GammOnLine format

> This is simply a question of aesthetics. If you look at the example I
> sent you, you should see what I mean. The large fonts completely
> dominate the thread, so the look of the thing is a bit clumsy. I don't
> tend to post on other BBS, but I think the same comment would apply to
> GammonVillage. For a straightforward export to html I think the large
> fonts are OK, but I've no strong feelings on the matter.
> > BTW, how do you export the output from gnubg into GoL? By
> > copy'n'paste of the board section?
> >
> I save the file to html, open it in Notepad and copy & paste the board
> section. This is rather unwieldy so if you could streamline the
> process it would be fab. Ideally it would be great to put the board
> position straight into the paste buffer so I could paste it into the
> GoL message page. If you look at the output generated by GoFigure
> you'll see that it's rather shorter than GnuBg's.

The export position command was indented for exporting positions to a
stand-alone web page, but I see there is a demand for export of just the
position for copy'n'paste into, say, GoL.

I think I'll add commands for easy pasting of just the board. Do you
need to include analysis as well, or is it sufficient just to copy the
board onto the clipboard?

> > > Is there a good reason for the W3 link buttons? They are
> > non-bg related and
> > > it's not obvious what they are for.
> >
> > To let people know that gnubg produces well-formed and
> > validating xhtml
> > 1.0. That is, we follow the standards set-up by W3C. The output
> > generated by Snowie 3.0 does *not* validate, thus, some
> > browsers may have
> > problems rendering html files proceduced by Snowie.
> >

> Hmmm. I can understand why you'd want to play one-upmanship with
> Snowie, and I totally agree with adhering to standards. However, I
> think if folks start making extensive use of GnuBg to post positions,
> those little buttons will be quite irritating. They break up the
> thread and take up too much screen space considering the amount of use
> or interest they'll get.

I prefer to keep the images on the stand-alone export, but the new
copy-of-board function will of course not include the pictures,
horizontal lines, large fonts etc.


Joern Thyssen, PhD
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