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RE: Some thoughts about GS
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ian . mondragon |
Subject: |
RE: Some thoughts about GS |
Date: |
Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:27:45 -0600 |
~~~~~~~~~~ THIS IS NOT FLAME BAIT. ~~~~~~~~~~~
well - then use java. as an objc programmer (both for my living & in my
spare time) i personally detest the "move to java"...it's somewhat akin [in
my mind] to watching all the devoted Python hackers move over to, say, Ruby.
but i doubt that Ruby lovers would hop on a soapbox in a Python
mailing-list.
if you like java, that's your choice and that's fine. but i, for one, love
GNUstep, and the GNUstep lists because (a) GNUstep is a phenominal project
to work with/on - period, and (b) because the project/this list revolve
around Objective-C and NOT JAVA.
so this message is the kind that *stings* for those of us hoping that, say,
Mac OS X will revive the need for Objective-C programmers and thus ensure
that we can continue to do what we love for a living - instead of having to
program in Java....which is EXACTLY the situation i'm facing, as my own
company is switching to Java apps.
sorry - but it's a very REAL situation, and it's NOT pleasant. no harm
done.
@end
-ian mondragon
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim.Bissell@dresdnerkb.com [SMTP:Tim.Bissell@dresdnerkb.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 9:55 AM
> To: discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
> Subject: RE: Some thoughts about GS
>
> >After all, I hate being forced
> > to use Java. It [...]
>
> As an old ObjC programmer I've got to say that I find it harder
> and harder to go back to ObjC from Java.
>
> + Obj-C
>
> + The message passing syntax
> + categories
> + Clean, well-designed libraries (Foundation/AppKit)
> + Speed
> + better 'reflection' (rtti) than Java
> + Java
>
> + 'Free' garbage collection
> + Interfaces are cleaner than Protocols
> + No header files
> + Namespaces
> + threading support in the language
> + exception support in the language
> + no link stage
> + variable declarations are statements
>
> If gcj ever works with Jigs, to get the speed up and size
> down, Java could be the 'killer app' needed to get GNUstep
> programming going.
>
> Tim
>
>
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- Re: Some thoughts about GS, (continued)
- Re: Some thoughts about GS, Andreas Hoeschler, 2001/01/03
- RE: Some thoughts about GS, Tim . Bissell, 2001/01/03
- RE: Some thoughts about GS, ian . mondragon, 2001/01/03
- Re: Some thoughts about GS, Jason H Clouse, 2001/01/03
- Re: Some thoughts about GS, Stefanos Kiakas, 2001/01/03
- Re: Some thoughts about GS, Philippe C . D . Robert, 2001/01/04
- RE: Some thoughts about GS, Tim . Bissell, 2001/01/05
- RE: Some thoughts about GS,
ian . mondragon <=
- RE: Some thoughts about GS, Tim . Bissell, 2001/01/05
- Re: Some thoughts about GS, Helge Hess, 2001/01/05
Re: Some thoughts about GS, Gregory Casamento, 2001/01/06