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Re: The Path of GNUstep (Was: Re: Gnustep + mac + windows? Possible?)

From: Timothy Ritchey
Subject: Re: The Path of GNUstep (Was: Re: Gnustep + mac + windows? Possible?)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:38:16 -0500

To put it bluntly - not only arent the OSX people interested, but for some reason we have failed to get the old OpenStep people onboard either in any
significant numbers!

I've been following this discussion with some interest. As background, In my former life I was primarily an embedded Linux programmer, but have been OS X/Cocoa for the last year. I have been stalking the GNUStep project for some time, and recently joined this list to get a feel for where I might be able to put in a hand. I am (perhaps now was) very interesting in seeing GNUStep get to the point that I could leverage my OS X work on other platforms (i.e. Linux/BSD/Windows).

The greatest hurdle to *Step acceptance is Objective-C--even on OS X. Programmers are religious about language. They have been told repeatedly that their favorite language, be it C, C++, Java, Python, etc., is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and they BELIEVE. We, of course, all know that to be Bull S***--Objective-C is the one true language ;-) The fact remains that the greatest number of Objective-C programmers exist on OS X now.

I think that several of the respondents are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. By ignoring OS X, you are guaranteed not to get any Mac converts. I am on several Cocoa lists which are regularly hit with: I love Objective-C/Cocoa, can I do this on <name your platform>? Invariably, they are given directions to gnustep.org. If you don't want these people wasting your time, then it might be good to make that clear on your site. To say OS X programmers aren't interested just isn't true. This discussion is the first I have heard such negative comments relating to Cocoa compatibility, especially given the effort on GNUMail.app and other projects to develop cross platform applications with GNUStep.

But, hey, this is obviously not my decision to make.You guys have been putting in the blood sweat and tears on this amazing piece of software. I just felt I had to chime in and let you know that there are at least SOME OS X programmers interested in helping out, if that is the direction you decide to go.


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