Re: really attracting developers

[Riccardo]

Hey,

On Friday, August 25, 2006, at 01:57 PM, Chris Vetter wrote:

> On 2006-08-25 12:05:48 +0200 Rogelio Serrano 
> <rogelio.serrano@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Whats keeping other developers from gnustep?
>
> That's the crucial question, isn't it?

I think we had this thread before.. . and even before before....

> > incomplete ide?
>
> Gorm, while probably not finished, is very stable and usable.

While Gorm is not an IDE.. it is very nice and works well. I have to add 
that ProjectCenter, while being SERIOUSLY incomplete in some parts, 
works well in what it delivers, so for many project it is just fine and 
it is reasonably stable. SO I don'tb uy this argument. We may make 
progress... but we are better off than other toolkits even.


> > incomplete libraries?
>
> That's open to debate. If you compare it to Cocoa, yes, it's 
> "incomplete." Question is how far the completeness is supposed to go 
> (with respect to Cocoa).
I think the libraries are pretty complete. Try to code something (not to 
port some crap) and check if you can't do that because of a method not 
implemented. If it is in the OpenStep, then we should implement it, 
otherwise just start coding.

If we just implement the OpenStep specification (and ignore cocoa, which 
added nice thing and ruined others) we have enough power to write our 
web browser (yes, seriously, it is time and resources which lack, not 
frameworks), an office suite, an imaging application, a 3d 
application.... it was done on OpenStep and we even have stuff which was 
not in OS.

> > i don't buy the general applications unavailability argument. we are
> > talking about people who want to create apps under gnustep.
>
> There aren't many usable GNUstep related applications. Not from a 
> user's point of view. Most notably a web browser is needed.

I agree. Several desktop applications are missing or incomplete. There 
are bugs here and there. But it is not the gnustep core that is holding 
back applications.

-Riccardo