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Re: really attracting developers

From: Riccardo
Subject: Re: really attracting developers
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:56:43 +0200


On Tuesday, August 29, 2006, at 09:29 AM, Chris Vetter wrote:

If we just implement the OpenStep specification (and ignore cocoa, which added nice thing and ruined others) we have enough power to write our web browser (yes, seriously, it is time and resources which lack, not frameworks), an office suite, an imaging application, a 3d application.... it was done on OpenStep and we even have stuff which was not in OS.

I beg to differ. Which framework(s) are you referring to regarding a web browser? Yes, there basically are 3 to pick from (libwww, Mozilla's engine and WebKit) but the first two would need wrapping and the latter is a PITA to port (I tried several times and got stuck due to references to Apple specific frameworks) plus the latter two are (currently) using GTK/GDK, which -- for me -- is a 'no go.'

Actually what I meant is that gnustep-core is complete enough that you could write a webbrowser from scratch. Despite what people think, it can be done (iCab is a browser for macintosh written by two brothers, very heavy-weight, it run on 68k for a long time, it supports javascript, jscript and lately CSS is in the works too and mind, it is done in classic mac and nowadays carbon, thus far more primitive stuff). There is also a browser on windows wirten from scratch wich is reasonably nice.

If you want to stir up the browser argument again, I think web-core is a bit of a dead-end. We could hack on libwww (many browser did that), or hack on the links graphics core, which even supports some limited javascript and is in pure C. Or try to wrap gecko like it was done with camino. I think that if we make our own wrappers it could be a nice result and possibly even without that monster called obj-c++.


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