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RE: smtp crap
From: |
Drew Adams |
Subject: |
RE: smtp crap |
Date: |
Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:32:49 -0700 |
> > This is nothing but a regression - reporting a bug with `emacs
> > -Q' has never been a problem in past releases. Why burden
> > and confuse users now?
>
> I have personally seen dozens, of emacs bug reports sitting
> stuck in local mail queues, with the user having no idea that
> the bug never made it beyond the local workstation.
> I am not the only one to report this kind of problem.
> This type of configuration is (as near as we can tell) at
> least as common now than it was then.
Yes, that is undesirable.
The solution is to simply _mention_ in the bug-report instructions that "IF you
have no mail client and IF you have not yet configured Emacs itself as a mailer,
THEN invoke `M-x XYZ' to so configure it.", where XYZ is a command that leads
you down whatever configuration garden path is required.
IOW, again, let users explicitly _ask_ to configure Emacs, if they want to.
Forcing users to deal with this when they simply want to report a bug is not
TRT.
Yes, if there is no other choice for some user than to configure Emacs as a
mailer right then and there, s?he will do so - it's enough to explain it. But
all other users can pass over that information, which doesn't concern them. And
with this approach _no_ user is then forced into a configuration dialog: they
get that only on request.
See the subject line, as a reminder of what this is about: Separate the dialog
for email configuration from bug reporting. It's as simple as that. If some
users might need to configure email before being able to report a bug, fine -
they will. But that logical dependency does not require us to inflict an email
configuration dialog on everyone.
- Re: smtp crap, (continued)
- Re: smtp crap, Stefan Monnier, 2011/10/11
- RE: smtp crap, Drew Adams, 2011/10/11
- RE: smtp crap, Drew Adams, 2011/10/11
- RE: smtp crap, Drew Adams, 2011/10/11
- RE: smtp crap, Drew Adams, 2011/10/26
- Re: smtp crap, Adam Sjøgren, 2011/10/26
- Re: smtp crap, chad, 2011/10/26
- RE: smtp crap,
Drew Adams <=
- Re: smtp crap, chad, 2011/10/26
- RE: smtp crap, Drew Adams, 2011/10/26
- Re: smtp crap, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2011/10/26
- Re: smtp crap, Tim Cross, 2011/10/26
- Re: smtp crap, Stefan Monnier, 2011/10/26
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