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Re: smtp crap
From: |
chad |
Subject: |
Re: smtp crap |
Date: |
Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:13:37 -0700 |
On Oct 26, 2011, at 3:32 PM, Drew Adams wrote:
>>> This is nothing but a regression - reporting a bug with `emacs
>>> -Q' has never been a problem in past releases. Why burden
>>> and confuse users now?
>>
>> I have personally seen dozens, of emacs bug reports sitting
>> stuck in local mail queues, with the user having no idea that
>> the bug never made it beyond the local workstation.
>> I am not the only one to report this kind of problem.
>> This type of configuration is (as near as we can tell) at
>> least as common now than it was then.
>
> Yes, that is undesirable.
Undesirable, well know, and obviously the opposite of ``has never been
a problem in the past'', as you knew before you wrote those words. It
also pretty clearly answers the question ``Why burden and confuse
users now?''.
> The solution is to simply _mention_ in the bug-report instructions that "IF
> you
> have no mail client and IF you have not yet configured Emacs itself as a
> mailer,
> THEN invoke `M-x XYZ' to so configure it.", where XYZ is a command that leads
> you down whatever configuration garden path is required.
So, you want to ask the user, in the middle of reporting a bug, to
notice that there's a warning somewhere, and then guess whether or not
emacs can send mail without extra steps on their part, when we know
that a common failure mode is ``it doesn't work and the user can't
reasonably know that it didn't/won't work''. Seems like a pretty poor
default to me. YMMV.
*Chad
- Re: smtp crap, (continued)
- Re: smtp crap, Stefan Monnier, 2011/10/11
- RE: smtp crap, Drew Adams, 2011/10/11
- RE: smtp crap, Drew Adams, 2011/10/11
- RE: smtp crap, Drew Adams, 2011/10/11
- RE: smtp crap, Drew Adams, 2011/10/26
- Re: smtp crap, Adam Sjøgren, 2011/10/26
- Re: smtp crap, chad, 2011/10/26
- RE: smtp crap, Drew Adams, 2011/10/26
- Re: smtp crap,
chad <=
- RE: smtp crap, Drew Adams, 2011/10/26
- Re: smtp crap, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2011/10/26
- Re: smtp crap, Tim Cross, 2011/10/26
- Re: smtp crap, Stefan Monnier, 2011/10/26
Re: smtp crap, Michael Welsh Duggan, 2011/10/08
smtp crap, Miles Bader, 2011/10/07